I will wait until final cuts before I change my avatar.

I think there is something beyond his knee.

I recall rumors of how he performed in interviews predraft that he couldn’t discuss coverages.

Dont really care who the 3rd string QB is.

I was hopeful that Strong would develop into a replacement for Minshew next year.

That may be a bridge too far.

This means I am all in on drafting a QB unless Hurts pulls his head out of his arse.

On 8/25/2022 at 4:44 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think bottom line he just hasn't earned it? And ultimately the reps need to go more to those guys who are going to be part of the 53. I suspect they'll try and get him on to the PS and give him some time. 

It's easy to draw that conclusion, but preseason games are full of bad players with zero chance of being on the 53 or practice squad of any team.  Strong may fit into that category, so it doesn't hurt to play him.  For that matter, Sinnett may be in the same situation.

On 8/25/2022 at 5:29 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Remember when he was picked up as a UDFA and everyone on the board was wondering why he'd dropped so far and some were saying 'there's a big old red flag or medical issue somewhere' and others were saying 'hot damn we got a starter for nothing, I hope they make it an open competition at QB'. 

Well turns out the first group were probably right and the UDFA with multiple knee surgeries isn't a hidden gem after all.

So hurts will magically improve but strong wont?

24 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

So hurts will magically improve but strong wont?

If this is related only to technique, mechanics, reading defenses, etc., then any player has the ability to improve.  Perhaps the comment directed toward Strong is related more to having a bum knee - hard to improve that if it is considered a chronic condition.  

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

So hurts will magically improve but strong wont?

Hurts is a second round pick and is the incumbent starter, Strong was a UDFA in a weak class who's been getting bad reports all training camp and less snaps than a 3rd string QB nobody thinks is good enough, if you genuinely don't appreciate the difference between those two situations when it comes to evaluating futures I really really can't help you chief.

5 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Hurts is a second round pick and is the incumbent starter, Strong was a UDFA in a weak class who's been getting bad reports all training camp and less snaps than a 3rd string QB nobody thinks is good enough, if you genuinely don't appreciate the difference between those two situations when it comes to evaluating futures I really really can't help you chief.

I think the point being made, and I may be wrong, is that hurts has been the same guy since his early days in college to now and some how this year it all is supposed to get better, but a  kid who just got to the NFL with little to no reps and obviously needs some refinement isn't given any opportunity to grow or showcase what he is building off of. I liked strong coming out of college, but knew that knee could be a major issue. He could be streaky in college but was a monster once heated up. With little reps, you will never get the best out of him. Not saying he earned the time, but can't learn anything off the field about him. Both hurts and minshew are pretty bad practice guys, and do their best work on Sundays. Maybe this kid is similar

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

I think the point being made, and I may be wrong, is that hurts has been the same guy since his early days in college to now and some how this year it all is supposed to get better, but a  kid who just got to the NFL with little to no reps and obviously needs some refinement isn't given any opportunity to grow or showcase what he is building off of. I liked strong coming out of college, but knew that knee could be a major issue. He could be streaky in college but was a monster once heated up. With little reps, you will never get the best out of him. Not saying he earned the time, but can't learn anything off the field about him. Both hurts and minshew are pretty bad practice guys, and do their best work on Sundays. Maybe this kid is similar

I guess we will have to wait for Strong's second rookie season.   Question, being an UDFA, how many more rookie years does he get than Hurts ??

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I guess we will have to wait for Strong's second rookie season.   Question, being an UDFA, how many more rookie years does he get than Hurts ??

I really think this is all to put him on the PS for a year and bring him up next year, but with next year's draft being so deep at this point, I'm curious if someone pops up 4th round on they would like better. Luckily none of this is my decision nor paid out of my pocket 

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I really think this is all to put him on the PS for a year and bring him up next year, but with next year's draft being so deep at this point, I'm curious if someone pops up 4th round on they would like better. Luckily none of this is my decision nor paid out of my pocket 

If Hurts does not take a massive leap as a passer, we won't be looking for a 4th round QB.

There is a reason Howie pushed a 1st to next year.

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I think the point being made, and I may be wrong, is that hurts has been the same guy since his early days in college to now and some how this year it all is supposed to get better, but a  kid who just got to the NFL with little to no reps and obviously needs some refinement isn't given any opportunity to grow or showcase what he is building off of. I liked strong coming out of college, but knew that knee could be a major issue. He could be streaky in college but was a monster once heated up. With little reps, you will never get the best out of him. Not saying he earned the time, but can't learn anything off the field about him. Both hurts and minshew are pretty bad practice guys, and do their best work on Sundays. Maybe this kid is similar

This is absolutely false. I played HS football with a guy that turned into a pretty good NFL WR. He was a QB for us his senior year. We ran the Veer. That guy could throw a little but that certainly wasn't his strength. He was NEVER going to be an NFL QB. I think Hurts was in the veer offense at his HS - or maybe I'm thinking "Remember the Titans". Hurts has developed steadily since his early days of college and made a fairly big jump from Alabama to Oklahoma. I get that people have their doubts that Hurts has a ceiling high enough and can reach it quick enough to be the QB that we need. I don't get why people feel the need to fabricate criticism to make their argument.

1 minute ago, Nivraga said:

This is absolutely false. I played HS football with a guy that turned into a pretty good NFL WR. He was a QB for us his senior year. We ran the Veer. That guy could throw a little but that certainly wasn't his strength. He was NEVER going to be an NFL QB. I think Hurts was in the veer offense at his HS - or maybe I'm thinking "Remember the Titans". Hurts has developed steadily since his early days of college and made a fairly big jump from Alabama to Oklahoma. I get that people have their doubts that Hurts has a ceiling high enough and can reach it quick enough to be the QB that we need. I don't get why people feel the need to fabricate criticism to make their argument.

That's fair. How about I reword it. Hurts hasn't overcome any of his weaknesses to the standard of the modern day NFL passer

On 8/24/2022 at 8:14 PM, bigdog54 said:

Why hasn’t he got a legimate chance? I heard he hasn’t even gotten reps at camp. They paid him more money than any Player as an Undrafted free agent and than don’t play him. It makes no since because Sinnett for sure isn’t the answer. He sucks. Strong can’t be any worse. 

We don't know what is really going on.  Maybe he's still hurt and the team wants to take it easy with him.  Maybe the team has a plan to let him hold a clipboard for a year before throwing him in the mix.  Maybe a combo of both.  But if the team wants to put him on the practice squad and not have another team poach him, you can be sure the coaches will not be playing him up to the media.

Or maybe he really does suck.  Time will tell.

Just now, Shalodeep said:

That's fair. How about I reword it. Hurts hasn't overcome any of his weaknesses to the standard of the modern day NFL passer

yet ... but he has been making steady progress. People make the argument - "his dad was a coach". I don't know anything about his dad but if he wasn't a QB coach (maybe he's a defensive guy) then that doesn't give any of his QB's any head start - right. Alabama - Oklahoma - great college teams great coaching - but - at best a college team might have a QB for 5 years with 1 redshirt - and if he's around for 5 he's probably not the guy for this conversation. Big college football programs are under pressure to win. They are going to (they do) emphasize a players strengths and play around their weaknesses. 

Hurts lost the starting position in Alabama because at the time Tua was a better passer and that worked better for Saban. When Hurts left Alabama he knew he had to be a better passer to win a starting position - he worked - he got better - he started for Oklahoma. 

The real debate here - where is his ceiling and how long to reach it. IMO he has to make a very big leap this season or the Eagles need to move on.

 

The Eagles QB position is a Fing drama fest.

22 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

yet ... but he has been making steady progress. People make the argument - "his dad was a coach". I don't know anything about his dad but if he wasn't a QB coach (maybe he's a defensive guy) then that doesn't give any of his QB's any head start - right. Alabama - Oklahoma - great college teams great coaching - but - at best a college team might have a QB for 5 years with 1 redshirt - and if he's around for 5 he's probably not the guy for this conversation. Big college football programs are under pressure to win. They are going to (they do) emphasize a players strengths and play around their weaknesses. 

Hurts lost the starting position in Alabama because at the time Tua was a better passer and that worked better for Saban. When Hurts left Alabama he knew he had to be a better passer to win a starting position - he worked - he got better - he started for Oklahoma. 

The real debate here - where is his ceiling and how long to reach it. IMO he has to make a very big leap this season or the Eagles need to move on.

 

I think most of the fan base on either side of the debate can agree on this. My issue is if you read his scouting report weaknesses and they are the same one that showed up on film. There are things I respect about his game and understand why they would keep him on the cheap. He doesn't have a lot of negative plays (sacks, ints), he is a big asset to a ball control offense with his ball protection and legs, he's cheap, and will make an occasional throw.  If I was trying to build a roster for the next guy, Hurts wouldn't be a bad filler until the real guy gets here via draft (only actual option) or trade.  My personal preference is a pass first QB which we have right behind him ready to go, but minshew will be looking for a contract next year and if he ran the offense extremely this year , you'd owe him or leave you with notta. With Hurts, you still have him for another year on the cheap if he plays good or bad.  I get all that.  There's not much to get excited about playing ball control offense in this day and age because against a good team, you fall down 14 and can't throw yourself back in, it's over. 

And before anyone says "but they brought in AJ Brown to open the passing game" ... AJ just came from a running ball control offense

I love this place.

I don't know how anyone here can build an argument over Strong's situation.  There are people in the Eagles organization who have a ton more information on Strong's abilities than the people here who may have seen him play in college, but probably just go off of what they've read from other reports.

How many UDFA QBs, dumped by the team that drafted them became successful WITHOUT developing themselves in the CFL, Arena League, etc.

Whatever it is TATE thinks they know about Strong is just pure speculation at this point.  No one has seen much, nor heard anything, so relax people.  If he was lighting anything on fire, you'd have heard anything right now.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I guess we will have to wait for Strong's second rookie season.   Question, being an UDFA, how many more rookie years does he get than Hurts ??

I'm waiting for you to invent a second joke about rookie seasons.

UDFAs typically get 0 rookie years.  Either they show something immediately or they're bagging groceries waiting for the phone to ring.

Final cuts are Tuesday, August 30, 4pm.

I doubt the Eagles carry 3 QBs. 

I doubt both Stidham and Strong will get picked up...  The league has a LOT of Stidham and Strong players floating around, and on top of that, there's gonna be more in the market from every other team on Tuesday.

2 hours ago, Nivraga said:

This is absolutely false. I played HS football with a guy that turned into a pretty good NFL WR. He was a QB for us his senior year. We ran the Veer. That guy could throw a little but that certainly wasn't his strength. He was NEVER going to be an NFL QB. I think Hurts was in the veer offense at his HS - or maybe I'm thinking "Remember the Titans". Hurts has developed steadily since his early days of college and made a fairly big jump from Alabama to Oklahoma. I get that people have their doubts that Hurts has a ceiling high enough and can reach it quick enough to be the QB that we need. I don't get why people feel the need to fabricate criticism to make their argument.

Utter denial

 Why fabricate an argument to prop up hurts as something he clearly is not

2 hours ago, CouchKing said:

The Eagles QB position is a Fing drama fest.

If you dont have your guy there is no greater priority than finding your guy

we dont have ours

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

If you dont have your guy there is no greater priority than finding your guy

we dont have ours

That's fine.  We'll find that guy in the draft or FA next season.  That window has closed.  Need to get ready for this season and see what this team is really all about.

12 minutes ago, Vee said:

I doubt both Stidham and Strong will get picked up...  The league has a LOT of Stidham and Strong players floating around, and on top of that, there's gonna be more in the market from every other team on Tuesday.

There will be around 64 3rd and 4th string QBs cut. 2 for each team.

Does Howie dumpster dive for another team’s junk? Do the Eagles sign a QB to the Practice Squad that was cut from another team?

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I'm waiting for you to invent a second joke about rookie seasons.

We are waiting for you guys to stop making the joke excuse of practically rookie season.