9 minutes ago, Kz! said:

The sandy vajeen required to complain about a move that shores up the weakest position on our team in a year we have a legitimate shot at going to the Super Bowl.

Sorry - English is my first language... what's a sandy vajeen?

37 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

I've been very critical of Howie in recent years because I thought post-SB he made some bad contract extensions and created too much dead money (and had a string of bad drafting).

He spent 2 or 3 offseasons correcting that, and there will always be some dead money but now it's manageable.  Last season there was concern about the dead money and salary cap and then Howie did the following:

• Traded for AJ Brown and renegotiated his contract
• Signed Bradberry to solidify the corner position
• Re-signed Barnett but as a depth role to lower salary
• Traded for CJG to solidify the safety position
• Traded a 4th for Quinn and got the Bears to pay most of his salary
• He even cut then re-signed Cox as part of a plan for future cap

Every year fans worry about the cap, and every year Howie moves things around to make it work.  Again, I've been very critical of Howie but in the last 2 years he's back on track with a solid plan.  I guarantee you he will end up restructuring current players that aren't set to become free agents which will free up cap space on certain years.  He will turn some money into signing bonus to free up cap space.  He does it every year.

While the cap situation has been concerning (and he has managed to make it work every year, as you stated), the bigger concern with Howie has been his talent evaluation and drafting skills.  But even then he seems to be doing a better job there these past few years.  2023 is going to be super interesting to see how he does now that most of the top player personnel involved in talent evaluation have left for positions outside the organization.  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

A 4th is nothing if it bolsters the pass rush, and they go deep in the playoffs.  This is an all-in team for this year.  There might even be another move before the trade deadline.

Do we really need to bolster the pass rush? The defensive stats for the league say otherwise.

 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Howie always figures out the contracts with extensions, moving money into signing bonus, etc.  He will collect additional draft picks from comp picks, trading back maybe even trading players.

I like Howie and think he's one of the best. Remember 2020 - he didn'thave much to work with and it was not pretty. 

 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Totally worth trading a 4th for Quinn.  Your argument is bad.

I hope you're right. We;ll see. 

My only concern about this move, after watching the press conference, is that it doesn't seem Quinn had any buy in. I believe it's best, when making a trade, that you bring in a player that wants to be here. I did not get that impression from his press conference. That's not to say it was a bad move and he won't contribute.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

You do realize the cap is set to explode, which is why the team continues to kick the can down the road.

Procus - yes I am, but this post was in response to your post saying OTC reported no dead money next year. 

Even with a cap explosion we all have to remember Hurts makes $1M this year and it'll be $40M+ next year. 

1 minute ago, Rob331 said:

Do we really need to bolster the pass rush? The defensive stats for the league say otherwise.

 

I like Howie and think he's one of the best. Remember 2020 - he didn'thave much to work with and it was not pretty. 

 

I hope you're right. We;ll see. 

We padded the hell out of our stats against Carson Wentz and the Redskins. If you've watched the games, I don't think it's a stretch to say the pass rush has easily been the most glaring issue in most games. Plus, without Barnett we have absolutely no depth at the position at all. It was easily the biggest need on the team.

51 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Every year fans worry about the cap, and every year Howie moves things around to make it work.

I haven't been critical of Howie but I remember 2020 when he didn't have much to work with. 

2 minutes ago, Rob331 said:

Procus - yes I am, but this post was in response to your post saying OTC reported no dead money next year. 

Even with a cap explosion we all have to remember Hurts makes $1M this year and it'll be $40M+ next year. 

Hurts won't be making 40 mil next year he will still be on his rookie contract. 

21 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

Sorry - English is my first language... what's a sandy vajeen?

Uh, it's when, you know, a lady goes to the beach and is later cranky due to discomfort in her uh nether area. 

4 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Uh, it's when, you know, a lady goes to the beach and is later cranky due to discomfort in her uh nether area. 

Thanks, I get it now. You know, I get pretty vexed at the beach if I get sand around the ol' bellend, so it makes sense.

3 hours ago, Rob331 said:

Hawkeye - glad you asked. As a result of the trade we have one fewer draft pick. We have 17 free agents and 10 of them are starters. We're staring a mega contract for Jalen Hurts in the eye which will limit out ability to resign our own and buy on the free agent market. Now we're limiting our ability for replacements through the draft also. 

Will Quinn help - yes. Did we really need him - maybe/maybe not. does it impact our off-season restocking of the roster - yes. Was the trade-off worth it - I don't know, but I'm concerned. 

A 4th over increasing odds at a SB. This roster is ready now, who cares about a 4th. They will get comp picks for Dillard and others guys we don't have the money to resign. 

At some point you throw all your cards on the table and actually try to win the thing you are playing for. I hope he makes another move 

31 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

Thanks, I get it now. You know, I get pretty vexed at the beach if I get sand around the ol' bellend, so it makes sense.

I'm sorry, the ol' what?

8 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I'm sorry, the ol' what?

It's a colloquial term that some of us chaps who speak English as a first language use to describe the tip of the human P because of it's resemblance to the clanger of a bell. Other, analogous terms, include the farmer's hat or the German helmet (sometimes rendered as Herman Jelmet).

It's definitely true, the old saying, that the US and UK are divided by a common language 🤓

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Hurts won't be making 40 mil next year he will still be on his rookie contract. 

Unless he's extended during the offseason

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

While the cap situation has been concerning (and he has managed to make it work every year, as you stated), the bigger concern with Howie has been his talent evaluation and drafting skills.  But even then he seems to be doing a better job there these past few years.  2023 is going to be super interesting to see how he does now that most of the top player personnel involved in talent evaluation have left for positions outside the organization.  

I was critical of Howie post SB as well particular with draft. After taking Reagor, I think he's learned his lesson about trying to be the smartest guy in the draft room and followed up with no brainer picks with Smith and recently Davis. Also used a first on the Brown trade. It was clear he was trying to make up for his Reagor mishap. Well done Howie! 

2 hours ago, Kz! said:

I'm sorry, the ol' what?

The 🔔 end 

5 hours ago, Rob331 said:

Hawkeye - glad you asked. As a result of the trade we have one fewer draft pick. We have 17 free agents and 10 of them are starters. We're staring a mega contract for Jalen Hurts in the eye which will limit out ability to resign our own and buy on the free agent market. Now we're limiting our ability for replacements through the draft also. 

Will Quinn help - yes. Did we really need him - maybe/maybe not. does it impact our off-season restocking of the roster - yes. Was the trade-off worth it - I don't know, but I'm concerned. 

When you start off 6-0 and are looking at a very good possibility of going 11 or even 12-0 and your pass rush is the only concern you have going forward and you have an opportunity to get a veteran stub pass rusher on the cheap, it's a no brainer.  

Your concerns are unwarranted 

 

I might've done it for a 5th, but a 4th is a steep price to pay for a guy who figures to be at best our fourth best edge rusher.  He's always been a bit overrated, and at this point it's unclear what he has left in the tank.

I had a feeling Howie would be itching to replace Barnett at some point, but why not wait?  You've still got another week until the trade deadline.  Someone better could have been availabe.

He's going to explode as a 3rd down pass rusher. Limit his snaps so he's fresh for passing downs and he can be a Von Miller lite.

16 hours ago, Thing3 said:

My only concern about this move, after watching the press conference, is that it doesn't seem Quinn had any buy in. I believe it's best, when making a trade, that you bring in a player that wants to be here. I did not get that impression from his press conference. That's not to say it was a bad move and he won't contribute.

If he wants to retire with a ring, his chances are better here than Chicago (stating the obvious) and he gets paid the same.

15 hours ago, Procus said:

Unless he's extended during the offseason

An extension is exactly that - a contract added on to the existing contract. Even if he got a massive contract, his base salary will remain at $1.9 million next year. The only thing that may increase that is the distributed bonus, but it depends on how they write the contract.

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Robert Quinn, Eagles agree to void final two years of his contract

The Bears will be paying the lion’s share of Robert Quinn‘s salary after trading the veteran edge rusher to the Eagles and the Eagles won’t be on the hook for any money beyond this season.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Eagles and Quinn agreed to drop the final two years on his current contract after the trade was in place. That will make Quinn a free agent at the end of the 2022 season.

Quinn did not have any guaranteed money left on his deal and was due $27 million over the next two years, so it’s likely that the Bears would have cut Quinn after this season anyway. The agreement on the contract makes that an unnecessary step.

Quinn joined the Eagles on Wednesday and could make his debut with his new team against the Steelers on Sunday.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/28/robert-quinn-eagles-agree-to-void-final-two-years-of-his-contract/

2 hours ago, eglz1 said:

If he wants to retire with a ring, his chances are better here than Chicago (stating the obvious) and he gets paid the same.

I really thought he would be somewhat excited about having that chance. I guess I sort of convinced myself that he pushed for the move here for that reason. I just didn't get that feeling after watching the press conference. Maybe he was just in a whirlwind with all of the moving parts with the trade.Hopefully once gets acclimated we'll see him show a little more excitement about being here and having shot at a ring.

22 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I really thought he would be somewhat excited about having that chance. I guess I sort of convinced myself that he pushed for the move here for that reason. I just didn't get that feeling after watching the press conference. Maybe he was just in a whirlwind with all of the moving parts with the trade.Hopefully once gets acclimated we'll see him show a little more excitement about being here and having shot at a ring.

Yeah he definitely didn't look or sound very happy to be here. 

19 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Hurts won't be making 40 mil next year he will still be on his rookie contract. 

I hope you're right, but havemy doubts.

Most QB's on thier first contract with good perfromance insist on a new deal as soon as they are conractually allowed, If we don't re-sign Hurts this off-season we could be facing drama as in will he play or won't he play without a new deal.