October 31, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, Rob331 said: This one is but if you go back to the beginning of the topic the discussion is about what happens next year with limited draft picks, a lagre mumber of free agents, and a mega contract for the quarterback. Mostof thecounter opinions have completely missed that as being the point. Why waste time on worrying about stuff you can’t control anyway? I’d sacrifice every last one of those FAs for a SB now. Same issues from 2017-2018 when Howie fought to run it back. The Eagles muddled in mediocrity. You want to bring up history yet completely forgot about that too. Not to mention how mediocre the Rams look right now after selling out for the SB too.
November 1, 20222 yr 17 hours ago, NOTW said: ...many posters have repeatedly reminded you that people have worried about contracts over the years and Howie always figures that out. ... ^^^This is all anyone needs to know. It's not like we don't have evidence of this and can be called a fluke. Howie is so far ahead of what we think/know and has proven it more times than not.
November 1, 20222 yr 18 hours ago, NOTW said: The 6 draft picks they have are not dependent on free agents they let walk or re-sign. Sure it is. There are 10 starters who are free agents or who we don't expect back. We have 4 premium draft picks (rounds 1 ,2, and 3) as well as 2 in the 7th. Bradberry, Kelce, Cox, Dillard, Minshew, Barnett, Sanders, one of the guards (Seumalo or Opeta) one of the safeties (Epps or CGJ), and one of the linebackers (White or Edwards) are unlikely to return. Hargrave, BG, Pascal, the other linebacker and the other safety are all maybes with a shade towards likely Lovato is pretty much likely. The guys in the first list will have to be replaced. With a mega deal for the QB coming the Eagles like all teams will have to have an abundance of players on their rookie deals. I'll count the 4 premium picks as all hits and we can say 4 of the 10 are adequtely replaced. Do you really think they'll have the money to get 6 free agents of equal talent to the guys we can't replace in the draft? THAT'S THE POINT. Sorry for shouting.
November 1, 20222 yr 16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: Why waste time on worrying about stuff you can’t control anyway? I’d sacrifice every last one of those FAs for a SB now. Same issues from 2017-2018 when Howie fought to run it back. The Eagles muddled in mediocrity. You want to bring up history yet completely forgot about that too. Not to mention how mediocre the Rams look right now after selling out for the SB too. The original point, which most everyone loses sight of, is that we need draft picks in order not to slide back into mediocrity. I believe we should have kept that 4th round pick and not traded for Quinn. That simple opinion has generated 9 pages of discussion. I love it.
November 2, 20222 yr 22 hours ago, Rob331 said: The original point, which most everyone loses sight of, is that we need draft picks in order not to slide back into mediocrity. I believe we should have kept that 4th round pick and not traded for Quinn. That simple opinion has generated 9 pages of discussion. I love it. A 4th round pick is more that worth giving up for a chance at a ring. Tell me what great 4th round pick is worth more than that? The Eagles still have both of their first and you’re worried about a 4th… Seriously you’re saying drafting another Zech McPherson is worth giving up a chance at a ring now. Relax bud, because I don’t think anyone drafted in the 4th in this coming draft would have been that important.
November 2, 20222 yr 23 hours ago, Rob331 said: The original point, which most everyone loses sight of, is that we need draft picks in order not to slide back into mediocrity. I believe we should have kept that 4th round pick and not traded for Quinn. That simple opinion has generated 9 pages of discussion. I love it. Because you also complained about Hurts contract and free agency. Because of a 4th round pick. Don't downplay it now, you whined and panicked like a child over this. You act like they've never had a lot of guys heading into free agency before. There was a year that Cox was heading into free agency and Howie was signing other players first. People panicked, oh no they're not gonna be able to give Cox a big contract! Howie signed him, always planned on it. He was taking care of everyone else first so that he could then structure the years of Cox's contract against the cap situation each year. It's not a 1:1 ratio of free agents to draft picks that's not how it works. There will be guys Howie will extend during this regular season, there will be guys he will re-sign, there will be some that leave in free agency. Then he'll sign some new free agents, and then evaluate what's left at the draft. I mean this is standard every year so you're panicking is unwarranted.
November 2, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said: A 4th round pick is more that worth giving up for a chance at a ring. Tell me what great 4th round pick is worth more than that? The Eagles still have both of their first and you’re worried about a 4th… So you think Quinn is the difference in wining the Super bowl or not. He's has 2 sacks this year. You missed the point - I'm more worried about the lack of draft picks than whether it was a 4th or some other pick.
November 2, 20222 yr 37 minutes ago, NOTW said: You act like they've never had a lot of guys heading into free agency before. Tell me when they've have this many? Answer - they haven't. GRanted, Howie loaded up knowing it's the last year of the QB on his rookie deal. 39 minutes ago, NOTW said: Because you also complained about Hurts contract and free agency. Because of a 4th round pick. Don't downplay it now, you whined and panicked like a child over this. This has been an interesting back and forth, but let's be honest. When I stressed that point it was in answer to posts responding to the initial point. By the way - I have enjoyed this entire debate/discussion - so thanks for your thoughts and opinions.
November 2, 20222 yr On 11/1/2022 at 10:56 AM, Rob331 said: Sure it is. There are 10 starters who are free agents or who we don't expect back. We have 4 premium draft picks (rounds 1 ,2, and 3) as well as 2 in the 7th. Bradberry, Kelce, Cox, Dillard, Minshew, Barnett, Sanders, one of the guards (Seumalo or Opeta) one of the safeties (Epps or CGJ), and one of the linebackers (White or Edwards) are unlikely to return. Hargrave, BG, Pascal, the other linebacker and the other safety are all maybes with a shade towards likely Lovato is pretty much likely. The guys in the first list will have to be replaced. With a mega deal for the QB coming the Eagles like all teams will have to have an abundance of players on their rookie deals. I'll count the 4 premium picks as all hits and we can say 4 of the 10 are adequtely replaced. Do you really think they'll have the money to get 6 free agents of equal talent to the guys we can't replace in the draft? THAT'S THE POINT. Sorry for shouting. You should also be considering the young players, some taken with premium picks, that are already on the roster that will be candidates to replace those players. For example, Kelce's most likely replacement is Cam Jurgens, this years 2nd round pick that was getting positive evaluations in the preseason. Nakobe Dean is another pick from this year that would be expected to replace either of the LBs who leave. Now we are down to 4. Also, Dillard is a back up so his replacement is unlikely to require premium money although even quality back up tackles aren't necessarily cheap. You'll also note that pre-season and in season trades in 2023 would likely be dipping into the following year's picks which again adds additional options to find replacements not included in your above scenario. Your concerns are valid but I don't see them as insurmountable obstacles. There are obviously some variables at play here, such as where their drafts picks will be, especially the Saints 2023 1st round pick, as it has the possibility of being a particularly valuable pick which would then give the Eagles the option to use it on a blue chip prospect to replace one of those players or move down in the draft and acquire additional picks that could be used to replace roster needs.
November 2, 20222 yr 33 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said: Your concerns are valid but I don't see them as insurmountable obstacles. Thanks - I understand your points. BUT - I worry about a repeat of 2020 which was a season where Howie didn't have many assets in the Business season from the end of 2019.
November 2, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, Rob331 said: Thanks - I understand your points. BUT - I worry about a repeat of 2020 which was a season where Howie didn't have many assets in the Business season from the end of 2019. The difference here is that right now Howie is sat on 2 first round picks next year (1 potentially in the top 10) and 2 second round picks the year after. They have ammo to go and add further picks and I think Howie has shown he's pretty good at that.
November 2, 20222 yr 56 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: The difference here is that right now Howie is sat on 2 first round picks next year (1 potentially in the top 10) and 2 second round picks the year after. They have ammo to go and add further picks and I think Howie has shown he's pretty good at that. Besides those picks, the Eagles are likely to enter free agency trying to keep players currently on the roster. I don't expect us to be aggressive going after other teams' FAs and we don't have the cap space to pay all our FAs market value --- so this next free agency period should set us up with quite a few comp picks the following year.
November 3, 20222 yr On 11/1/2022 at 9:56 AM, Rob331 said: Sure it is. There are 10 starters who are free agents or who we don't expect back. We have 4 premium draft picks (rounds 1 ,2, and 3) as well as 2 in the 7th. Bradberry, Kelce, Cox, Dillard, Minshew, Barnett, Sanders, one of the guards (Seumalo or Opeta) one of the safeties (Epps or CGJ), and one of the linebackers (White or Edwards) are unlikely to return. Hargrave, BG, Pascal, the other linebacker and the other safety are all maybes with a shade towards likely Lovato is pretty much likely. The guys in the first list will have to be replaced. With a mega deal for the QB coming the Eagles like all teams will have to have an abundance of players on their rookie deals. I'll count the 4 premium picks as all hits and we can say 4 of the 10 are adequtely replaced. Do you really think they'll have the money to get 6 free agents of equal talent to the guys we can't replace in the draft? THAT'S THE POINT. Sorry for shouting. My biggest needs/concerns going into last off-season we’re DE, Safety, CB, LB, IOL, WR and would Hurts take a step forward. They were all addressed better than I would have predicted. Enjoy the ride! I suspect our needs going into next off-season will be DE, CB, DT, RB and…maybe safety ??? Less than last off-season?!?! Enjoy the ride!!!
November 16, 20222 yr A valuable 4th round pick given away for no production what-so-ever, seems like Mr. Peanut Head the attention seeker wanted more attention, the dumb sheet should have left well enough alone.
November 16, 20222 yr The jury is still out. We haven't seen anything yet from him in the last 3 games which is disappointing
November 17, 20222 yr On 11/1/2022 at 10:56 AM, Rob331 said: Sure it is. There are 10 starters who are free agents or who we don't expect back. We have 4 premium draft picks (rounds 1 ,2, and 3) as well as 2 in the 7th. Bradberry, Kelce, Cox, Dillard, Minshew, Barnett, Sanders, one of the guards (Seumalo or Opeta) one of the safeties (Epps or CGJ), and one of the linebackers (White or Edwards) are unlikely to return. Hargrave, BG, Pascal, the other linebacker and the other safety are all maybes with a shade towards likely Lovato is pretty much likely. The guys in the first list will have to be replaced. With a mega deal for the QB coming the Eagles like all teams will have to have an abundance of players on their rookie deals. I'll count the 4 premium picks as all hits and we can say 4 of the 10 are adequtely replaced. Do you really think they'll have the money to get 6 free agents of equal talent to the guys we can't replace in the draft? THAT'S THE POINT. Sorry for shouting. Kelce’s replacement is already on the roster on the cheap.
November 17, 20222 yr 5 hours ago, eggs said: Kelce’s replacement is already on the roster on the cheap. Agreed, and the same is true if we lose a linebacker. But, we will need to have cheap backups with potential and the draft if where you find those guys
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