7 hours ago, Bill said:

He would have latched onto something else sooner or later. It's what they do.

The people spouting this stuff are crazy in the first place, and you expect them to not be crazy?

Who's the crazy person now?

No.   I expect crazy people to be crazy.  I also expect people to attack political figures that are the constant ire of the right wing media machine.  Nothing about any of this is unexpected.  Even the right wing media's completely ridiculous lack of accountability is 100% expected, as pathetic as it is.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So besides those with room-temp IQs like lynched, Kz, and Trump, are there any other morons all in on the "he broke the glass from the inside" theory?

 

Meanwhile, Trump, Fox and company spread disinformation that the glass was broken from the inside, etc.

Ahole scumbags.

News flash, this is not the first person to become self radicalized thanks to Fox News, Q, Radical Right conspiracies. The people pushing out the conspiracies  like (Bannon, Stone, Jones etc.) are all responsible for radicalizing these folks to violence. 

If Charles Mason was convicted of murder for radicalizing his followers so should Bannon, Stone, Jones, Trump, Gates, MTG and others. 

 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

 

None of this matters to the stinky turd-flakes who believe Trump won.

44 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

None of this matters to the stinky turd-flakes who believe Trump won.

Yeah, cause nobody on the left has turned to violence and showed up at a baseball game in VA Scalise says hi.

 

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, cause nobody on the left has turned to violence and showed up at a baseball game in VA Scalise says hi.

 

What does this have to do with the loony, violent, MAGA cult?

DePape pleads not guilty.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, cause nobody on the left has turned to violence and showed up at a baseball game in VA Scalise says hi.

 

I must have missed the part where the left went after Scalise immediately after it happened in a concerted effort and claimed he was playing in a gay baseball game or that the attacker was really a right winger.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

I must have missed the part where the left went after Scalise immediately after it happened in a concerted effort and claimed he was playing in a gay baseball game or that the attacker was really a right winger.

Saying the criminal was his gay lover would have been the way to go apparently.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, cause nobody on the left has turned to violence and showed up at a baseball game in VA Scalise says hi.

 

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

I must have missed the part where the left went after Scalise immediately after it happened in a concerted effort and claimed he was playing in a gay baseball game or that the attacker was really a right winger.

bernie to the senate after the scalise incident:

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign," Sanders said. "I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values."

 

 

 

now compare that to the repugs after paul pelosi was almost murdered. 

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

bernie to the senate after the scalise incident:

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign," Sanders said. "I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values."

 

 

 

now compare that to the repugs after paul pelosi was almost murdered. 

To be fair to a lot of Republicans, some of the non-fascists spoke out against it, but obviously the fascist wing of the party had to lie and smear the name of the old man who rudely got in the way of that hammer.

Trump's a good comp with Bernie in this case since he's who the guy adamantly supported.

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"It's weird things going on in that household in the last couple of weeks," Trump said. "You know, probably, you and I are better off not talking about it. The glass, it seems, was broken from the inside to the out and, you know, so, it wasn't a break in, it was a break out."

Class act.

29 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

bernie to the senate after the scalise incident:

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign," Sanders said. "I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values."

 

 

 

now compare that to the repugs after paul pelosi was almost murdered. 

No, you are spewing fake news. When this happened, the Dems all attacked Scalise - the way he was dressed, he was asking for it.

33 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

bernie to the senate after the scalise incident:

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign," Sanders said. "I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values."

 

 

 

now compare that to the repugs after paul pelosi was almost murdered. 

Yeah, class isn't exactly the GOP platform these days.

Any truth to the rumor of a 3rd hammer?

9 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

But you still have the problem of an entire industry built around fomenting anger and fear for political gain. They're quite consciously coaxing the crazies over the line as one leg of their strategy to frighten the other side.

Joe Biden once told a crowd of black people that if Mitt Romney won the election in 2012 they would be re-enslaved.

A large contingent of democrat politicians and an even larger portion of their base believe that unless we quit burning fossil fuels entirely the world might literally end as early as the end of this decade.

But enough about politicians quite consciously coaxing the crazies over the line as one leg of their strategy to frighten the other side.

31 minutes ago, paco said:

Any truth to the rumor of a 3rd hammer?

It was on the grassy knoll.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Joe Biden once told a crowd of black people that if Mitt Romney won the election in 2012 they would be re-enslaved.

A large contingent of democrat politicians and an even larger portion of their base believe that unless we quit burning fossil fuels entirely the world might literally end as early as the end of this decade.

But enough about politicians quite consciously coaxing the crazies over the line as one leg of their strategy to frighten the other side.

 

On 10/28/2022 at 12:42 PM, Kz! said:

Paul gets so mad when confronted with empirical data on mental illness along party lines. It's actually amazing. He'll be referencing this 6 months from now every time there's an isolated instance of crazy from the right.   

 

34 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

 

 

 Kz self own # 1000.  He gets a free sub!

I hear their house had open air windows (no glass) and the broken glass was planted there by the FBI to frame a trump supporter. 
 

#defundthefbi 

Just now, paco said:

I hear their house had open air windows (no glass) and the broken glass was planted there by the FBI to frame a Castro supporter. 
 

#defundthefbi 

 

Video surveillance wasn't being watched......

I wonder if that was payback for public humiliation. 🤔

A Spreading Cancer

It might seem late in the game to point to any one event as a final or conclusive moment in the decline of the Republican Party. And I have no doubt that if the GOP returns to power this winter, its worst members will find new ways to appall decent people while gamboling about in jester’s bells for its base. (As my Atlanticcolleague Adam Serwer has put it so well, "The cruelty is the point.”) But the reaction among Republican elected officials and their conservative-media life-support system to the beating of Paul Pelosi—by a man named David DePape, who was charged with attempting to kidnap Speaker Nancy Pelosi and admitted toplanning to torture her—feels different.

I am not alone; my friend Mona Charen, among others, also senses that this event marks a new level of depravity in the GOP. I have struggled for a few days to decide why, exactly, this moment seems like an inflection point. In terms of actual damage, January 6 was far worse than one violent crime in San Francisco. Republican leaders—and here I will leave aside Donald Trump, who is in a class of hideousness all by himself—have said far worse things over the past five years. But a parade of Republicans somehow think that an unhinged, hammer-wielding intruder putting an old man in the ICU is funny.

We might expect such inanity from pathetic attention hounds such as Donald Trump Jr.and the usual conservative troll-pundits. Some of them tried to get a rumor about Paul Pelosi trending and briefly succeeded, especially when Twitter’s new boss, Elon Musk, characteristically decided that he just had to get involved in something he knows nothing about and amplified a dodgy story about it on Twitter. (He later deleted the tweet.) GOP leaders, however, stayed silent.

 

But that didn’t stop people in both right-wing politics and media from laughing it up over the Pelosi attack, including the Arizona gubernatorial contender Kari Lake, Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin, and sitting Representative Clay Higgins. Others have joined in trying to obfuscate or deflect attention from the intent of the attack; Senator John Cornyn of Texas even lamely tried to raise immigration as an issue. (DePape is here on a long-expired visa from Canada.)

One might think that it would be easy for America, as one nation, to condemn an attempt to kidnap the woman second in line to the presidency that resulted in the beating of her husband with a hammer. As Ernest Hemingway would say: Pretty to think so. Instead, we have seen the dark heart of the Republican Party, with a reaction so callous, so flippantly sadistic, so hateful, that it all feels irredeemable.

Of course, Republicans have put on a master class in whataboutism over the past few days. What about the people who laughed at Rand Paul’s neighbor giving the Kentucky senator a beatdown? What about Kathy Griffin’s ugly photograph of her holding up a mask representing Trump’s severed head? And, most of all, what about James Hodgkinson, who shot at a group of GOP political officials and nearly killed Representative Steve Scalise? These are all said with triumph, as if the transformation of the GOP into a violent mob is rendered moot by these examples.

I disapproved of laughing off the attack on Rand Paul and the Griffin photo shoot. (I am allergic to even the implication of violence against any president.) But I also don’t think these are neatly comparable cases; Paul, a middle-aged man, was attacked by a neighbor angry over a pile of brush in Paul’s yard, and Griffin paid a significant career price for her tasteless stunt.

Hodgkinson and DePape, by contrast, do seem alike, a similarity exploited by Republicans. Both were troubled and unstable men who spent a lot of time on the internet and settled on political figures as their intended target. That’s fair as far as it goes.

The problem is that the GOP and their media footmen are flooding the zone with hate, and creating more potential DePapes every day. There is no equivalence here; it’s not liberals who are threatening election officials, stalking ballot boxes with guns, or barraging Congress’s phones and inboxes daily with threats. January 6 should have been our warning that these messages have real power, and yet that terrible day has already receded from our collective memory.

To see how the right wing is deranging more people every day, consider the case of Scott Haven, a Utah insurance salesman. In a new book, the journalist Robert Draper notes that Haven was convicted in 2019 of making threats in many of the almost 4,000 calls he made over two years to Democrats in Congress, singling out Maxine Waters, Dick Durbin, and Jerry Nadler:

He focused his attention on them because Limbaugh and Hannity had themselves done so—even going so far as to supply their Washington office numbers while on the air. Haven dutifully jotted them down. Then he began calling, sharing sentiments like the following:

"Tell the son of a **** we are coming to hang the Fer!”

Later, as he pleaded guilty in court, Haven trembled with regret. So did many of the insurrectionists of January 6. Perhaps David DePape will do so as well one day. But the members and staff on the Hill who lived in fear of Haven’s threats will not get those years back; the people killed and injured in the Capitol breach cannot be made whole; Paul Pelosi’s body is no less shattered.

Sadistic glee in harming others is a sin (at least in my faith). But it is also a social cancer, a rot that can spread quickly and kill the spirit of democracy. If all attempts at reason and all offers of friendship fail, the rest of us should shun those whose dark hearts encourage them to revel in such poison. Unfortunately, millions of our fellow citizens seem poised to vote many such people into power. The darkness is spreading.

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/11/the-dark-heart-of-the-gop/671965/?utm_content=edit-promo&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=2022-11-01T22%3A03%3A52

Have any of you considered that maybe Nancy did it? I’m just asking questions