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1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Do you have any other insight here? Videos, more detailed thoughts on why he's very good?

We have someone else to which we can add an arbitrary "s" to their last name

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47 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

We have someone else to which we can add an arbitrary "s" to their last name

See that's exactly the kind of expert analysis we want to see around here. Thank you kind Sir.

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He better have a mean stiff arm. 
 

I really just hope he doesn’t lose an ear. 

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1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:

He better have a mean stiff arm. 

Should be in a good position to learn how to pack a good punch...

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If he gets a little faster... he will qualify as not quite fast enough for an NFL RB. 

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On 6/5/2020 at 10:30 AM, MidMoFo said:

If he gets a little faster... he will qualify as not quite fast enough for an NFL RB. 

Before the 2013 combine Vontaze Burfict was a 1st round prospect. Then he ran a 5.09 at the combine and failed to improve on that at his pro-day. He ended up in Cincinnati as an UDFA and only led the league in tackles his second year. He has fallen off since then but he's proven that speed isn't everything. Saints WR Michael Thomas 4.57 40 is pedestrian for a WR. 

Emmitt Smith ran 4.52 which isn't awful but I don't recall anyone ever catching him from behind.

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1 hour ago, Nivraga said:

Before the 2013 combine Vontaze Burfict was a 1st round prospect. Then he ran a 5.09 at the combine and failed to improve on that at his pro-day. He ended up in Cincinnati as an UDFA and only led the league in tackles his second year. He has fallen off since then but he's proven that speed isn't everything. Saints WR Michael Thomas 4.57 40 is pedestrian for a WR. 

Emmitt Smith ran 4.52 which isn't awful but I don't recall anyone ever catching him from behind.

It was more of burficts on and off the field problems that caused him to drop dramatically in the draft. The 40 time just cemented his not getting drafted at all. 

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1 hour ago, Nivraga said:

BSaints WR Michael Thomas 4.57 40 is pedestrian for a WR. 

Say what you will but I'm not a big fan of Thomas, he looks like a 4.57 WR.

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1 hour ago, Nivraga said:

Emmitt Smith ran 4.52 which isn't awful but I don't recall anyone ever catching him from behind.

That's because he rarely had anyone chasing him from behind, he wasn't fast enough to break away.

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49 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

It was more of burficts on and off the field problems that caused him to drop dramatically in the draft. The 40 time just cemented his not getting drafted at all. 

So what does that have to do with the price of tea? The point was that speed isn't that only factor that determines success. You CAN succeed without it. I'm not saying that anyone can - I'm just saying that a lack of it isn't necessarily an insurmountable obstacle

44 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Say what you will but I'm not a big fan of Thomas, he looks like a 4.57 WR.

See above.

38 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

That's because he rarely had anyone chasing him from behind, he wasn't fast enough to break away.

I've never been a Smith fan and believe whole heartedly that Barry Sanders was immensely more talented. Smith had more than his share of break away runs - mostly because the OLine opened a whole big enough for a tractor trailer - but as I said - no one caught him from behind. 

AND AGAIN - the point was simply that a lack of speed does necessarily mean an inability to succeed.

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26 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

So what does that have to do with the price of tea? The point was that speed isn't that only factor that determines success. You CAN succeed without it. I'm not saying that anyone can - I'm just saying that a lack of it isn't necessarily an insurmountable obstacle

See above.

I've never been a Smith fan and believe whole heartedly that Barry Sanders was immensely more talented. Smith had more than his share of break away runs - mostly because the OLine opened a whole big enough for a tractor trailer - but as I said - no one caught him from behind. 

AND AGAIN - the point was simply that a lack of speed does necessarily mean an inability to succeed.

Has nothing to do with it just pointing out that wasn't why he wasn't drafted. I got your point

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47 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Has nothing to do with it just pointing out that wasn't why he wasn't drafted. I got your point

Well, I don't disagree with you entirely - you're right about his antics in college being the larger factor but his 40 time was the final nail in the coffin. If he had run a sub 4.4 some team would have over looked his negatives to take him late round 1 early round 2. 

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3 hours ago, Nivraga said:

Before the 2013 combine Vontaze Burfict was a 1st round prospect. Then he ran a 5.09 at the combine and failed to improve on that at his pro-day. He ended up in Cincinnati as an UDFA and only led the league in tackles his second year. He has fallen off since then but he's proven that speed isn't everything. Saints WR Michael Thomas 4.57 40 is pedestrian for a WR. 

Emmitt Smith ran 4.52 which isn't awful but I don't recall anyone ever catching him from behind.

I’m with you on that. There is a difference between game speed and 40 times. If he can prove he has game speed, it would be a nice pick up by the Eagles and he could certainly be successful. He’s got to get to proving it though.

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42 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Well, I don't disagree with you entirely - you're right about his antics in college being the larger factor but his 40 time was the final nail in the coffin. If he had run a sub 4.4 some team would have over looked his negatives to take him late round 1 early round 2. 

I definitely agree. As for the other players, you are arguing with someone that thinks every single player that runs a 4.2/4.3 is a Superstar that was mishandled by the whole league lol

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On 6/5/2020 at 6:52 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See that's exactly the kind of expert analysis we want to see around here. Thank you kind Sir.

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We can make an all TATEs team,

Boykins, Samuels, Jeffries, Holyfields, I'm sure I'm missing several others

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5 hours ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

We can make an all TATEs team,

Boykins, Samuels, Jeffries, Holyfields, I'm sure I'm missing several others

Collins? 😁

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13 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

I’m with you on that. There is a difference between game speed and 40 times. If he can prove he has game speed, it would be a nice pick up by the Eagles and he could certainly be successful. He’s got to get to proving it though.

Your also talking about a different era of football where the DBs and LBs were bigger and slower. DTs are faster now then the DBs and LBs back then, lol. 4.5 was actually a nice speed then. But yes I do agree game speed and 40 is much different. 

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6 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Your also talking about a different era of football where the DBs and LBs were bigger and slower. DTs are faster now then the DBs and LBs back then, lol. 4.5 was actually a nice speed then. But yes I do agree game speed and 40 is much different. 

I’m not the one talking about past era’s. Every aspect of the nfl has gotten faster. I’m saying Holyfields has to prove he can keep up before he deserves a roster spot.

Im the one who said if he improves his speed, he’ll still be not quite fast enough... IMO.

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9 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Your also talking about a different era of football where the DBs and LBs were bigger and slower. DTs are faster now then the DBs and LBs back then, lol. 4.5 was actually a nice speed then. But yes I do agree game speed and 40 is much different. 

Vontaze Burfict is not from a different era. Michael Thomas is not from a different era.

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On 6/6/2020 at 6:02 PM, NJWolverEagle11 said:

We can make an all TATEs team,

Boykins, Samuels, Jeffries, Holyfields, I'm sure I'm missing several others

Earl Wolves

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