1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

I'm not defending Trump or any of his nonsense rhetoric around vaccines or anything else. I have no idea what states will be worse off with outbreaks, but if I had to guess I'd say the border states due to all the unvaccinated migrants coming over the border. 

That being said, preventable disease outbreak is not new and these types of outbreaks were happening long before Trump.

the number of domestic anti-vax idiots dwarf the number of illegals

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

But how else with he put down those who disagree with his enlightenment??

Ok wait... So now you agree with him that we shouldn't refer to these morons as "anti-vax"? Is that what you're saying?

The illegals. Oh right, the huge southern border problem, which is caused by legal aliens, not leaving the country and becoming illegal.

I guess after they overstay their visas, they head south to Texas?

1 hour ago, Toastrel said:

I created the thread because I read a story about another dopey outbreak of measles in the US. I posted about the last outbreak too.

I have no right/left political agenda in posting about my utter shock that we keep having to deal with these diseases we eradicated THROUGH vaccination.

PS - nice way to make up some BS. So cute.

Yea, I just don't believe you. 

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

Yea, I just don't believe you. 

We have seen the things you do believe though lmao.

15 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Yea, I just don't believe you. 

Of course not. I am left of you. You would sooner believe Putin Clause, or the Easter Satan.

39 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

the number of domestic anti-vax idiots dwarf the number of illegals

2.76 million immigrants that have come across the border so far this year and about 1.2 million last year.  I'm going to go ahead and say that not a single one of them were vaccinated for measles when they arrived.  

Most American citizens are vaccinated for measles at birth. 

So no, I don't think that's accurate. 

25 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

We have seen the things you do believe though lmao.

Right crazy stuff like...

The Corona virus may very well have escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and not been the result of people eating bat and pangolin flesh

Cheap surgical masks masks do not stop the transmission of the Covid 19

The MRNA vaccines are not stopping the mutation and subsequent transmission of Covid 19

And now...gasp...that a small measles outbreak might not be the result of a recent anti vaccine movement for a completely different virus

Seems to me I'm batting a thousand here 🤣

4 hours ago, Toastrel said:

As measles outbreak sickens dozens of children in Ohio, local health officials seek help from CDC

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/17/health/measles-outbreak-columbus-ohio/index.html

Anti-vax idiots. Polio in NYC, measles in Ohio.

Maybe we can bring back whooping cough?

Import enough of a third world population and we can bring back all of the classics.

19 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Right crazy stuff like...

The Corona virus may very well have escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and not been the result of people eating bat and pangolin flesh

Cheap surgical masks masks do not stop the transmission of the Covid 19

The MRNA vaccines are not stopping the mutation and subsequent transmission of Covid 19

And now...gasp...that a small measles outbreak might not be the result of a recent anti vaccine movement for a completely different virus

Seems to me I'm batting a thousand here 🤣

Yeah, those are the things I'm talking about lol.

5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

When you've given birth to the strongest anti-vax sentiment in decades, it's going to spill over into other decisions regarding vaccinations. We're already seeing parents forgo routine vaccinations for other diseases at increasingly alarming rates.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/18/kids-are-behind-on-routine-immunizations-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-isnt-helping-00025503

You think that sentiment is going to be equal across the board or will it be significantly higher in red states? Be honest.

Didn't the OP mention Polio in NYC?  How red is NYC, asking for a friend.

10 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

Didn't the OP mention Polio in NYC?  How red is NYC, asking for a friend.

Give it a few years and then do a comparison. When states like Tennessee have just recently defunded their conventional vaccine outreach program, we won't see the effects show up immediately.

4 hours ago, Toastrel said:

I created the thread because I read a story about another dopey outbreak of measles in the US. I posted about the last outbreak too.

I have no right/left political agenda in posting about my utter shock that we keep having to deal with these diseases we eradicated THROUGH vaccination.

PS - nice way to make up some BS. So cute.

How far along is this dude's dementia that he thinks anyone in here can't see through his shtick?  

There are TONS of leftwing nutbags who are anti-vax. This is not a right left issue.

It is about a country going backwards. It is about idiots rejecting vaccines and bringing back diseases that were eradicated a couple of decades ago.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Give it a few years and then do a comparison. When states like Tennessee have just recently defunded their conventional vaccine outreach program, we won't see the effects show up immediately.

So the few years for a comparison comes in to play when it's a Blue area getting diseases that have vaccinations but if it's Red areas immediately that is enough evidence.  Wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions so we can resume this discussion in 2025.

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

2.76 million immigrants that have come across the border so far this year and about 1.2 million last year.  I'm going to go ahead and say that not a single one of them were vaccinated for measles when they arrived.  

Most American citizens are vaccinated for measles at birth. 

So no, I don't think that's accurate. 

30% of the population hasn't been vaccinated for covid. That's pretty significant as far as anti-vax sentiment goes. As for measles, fewer and fewer parents are opting to get them vaccinated at birth. How do you think that's gonna shake out by 2030 and beyond? 

2 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

So the few years for a comparison comes in to play when it's a Blue area getting diseases that have vaccinations but if it's Red areas immediately that is enough evidence.  Wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions so we can resume this discussion in 2025.

Vaccines weren't nearly as politicized like this 3 years ago. The ramifications of it have yet to be fully understood. If you don't think there will be a massive disparity between red and blue states for outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases in the coming years, you're being quite naive.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Vaccines weren't nearly as politicized like this 3 years ago. The ramifications of it have yet to be fully understood. If you don't think there will be a massive disparity between red and blue states in the coming years, you're being quite naive.

Why would NYC be the first to have an outbreak being so blue?  Wouldn't it make sense that the anti-vax red areas would be first to have the outbreak.  Probably an infected red anti-vaxer went to NYC to skew the numbers but that still doesn't make sense since all the blue vax loving population would be vaccinated.  Something strange is afoot and we need to get to the bottom of it.  I'm guessing the outbreak started in or around Trump Tower.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

30% of the population hasn't been vaccinated for covid. That's pretty significant as far as anti-vax sentiment goes. As for measles, fewer and fewer parents are opting to get them vaccinated at birth. How do you think that's gonna shake out by 2030 and beyond? 

Cite your source.

8 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Cite your source.

Encyclopedia Britannica.

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Vaccines weren't nearly as politicized like this 3 years ago. The ramifications of it have yet to be fully understood. If you don't think there will be a massive disparity between red and blue states for outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases in the coming years, you're being quite naive.

Vaccines 3 years ago were of a tried and true methodology, they had been safely used for decades, they were fully FDA approved and they were largely given at birth or to adults who wanted to travel internationally.  The MRNA vaccines are a completely different technology and meet none of those standards.  I don't happen to share their view but I think it's perfectly reasonable for people to be skeptical.  This is not just a US phenomenon...there is vaccine hesitancy all over the world. 

As for red states for blue states I still don't understand your argument.  Vaccination for measles would have been administered at birth, so nobody is making decisions for themselves today that will impact this one way or the other.  If your argument is that infants today are being vaccinated for measles at a lesser rate in red states than they are in blue sates and therefore will create future outbreaks...I'd say that that is purely politically motivated speculation. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

The MRNA vaccines are a completely different technology and meet none of those standards.

This simply is not true. COVID vaccines went through the same testing other vaccines go through. There is no evidence that corners were cut in regards to safety. 

21 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

Why would NYC be the first to have an outbreak being so blue?  Wouldn't it make sense that the anti-vax red areas would be first to have the outbreak.  Probably an infected red anti-vaxer went to NYC to skew the numbers but that still doesn't make sense since all the blue vax loving population would be vaccinated.  Something strange is afoot and we need to get to the bottom of it.  I'm guessing the outbreak started in or around Trump Tower.

Sample size of 1 is cute and all. Just like when you rubes kept saying "nobody's even died from omicron yet" last December. How'd that talking point hold up for you guys?

15 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Vaccines 3 years ago were of a tried and true methodology, they had been safely used for decades, they were fully FDA approved and they were largely given at birth or to adults who wanted to travel internationally.  The MRNA vaccines are a completely different technology and meet none of those standards.  I don't happen to share their view but I think it's perfectly reasonable for people to be skeptical.  This is not just a US phenomenon...there is vaccine hesitancy all over the world. 

As for red states for blue states I still don't understand your argument.  Vaccination for measles would have been administered at birth, so nobody is making decisions for themselves today that will impact this one way or the other.  If your argument is that infants today are being vaccinated for measles at a lesser rate in red states than they are in blue sates and therefore will create future outbreaks...I'd say that that is purely politically motivated speculation. 

 

 

I literally posted a link that shows otherwise. Parents are forging traditional vaccines too. See if you can rack your brain and figure out why. Take as much time as you need.

28 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Cite your source.

I already did...

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/18/kids-are-behind-on-routine-immunizations-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-isnt-helping-00025503

1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said:

This simply is not true. COVID vaccines went through the same testing other vaccines go through. There is no evidence that corners were cut in regards to safety. 

I have no absolutely idea how you got that from what I wrote.  I said that they were a completely different technology from traditional vaccines which use dead virus, which is 100% true.