February 27, 2025Feb 27 6 hours ago, iladelphxx said: Pretty much every measles outbreak in this country has either taken place in migrant facilities or Amish communities. MAGATcantdecidewhatbuttontopushmeme.jpeg
February 27, 2025Feb 27 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/1st-measles-death-linked-outbreak-texas-confirmed-child/story?id=119208967&cid=social_twitter_abcn Quote n unvaccinated school-aged child in Texas has died of measles, the first death associated with an outbreak in the western part of the state that has infected more than 100 people. Lubbock city spokesperson Lauren Adams confirmed the death to ABC News on Wednesday. In a press release, the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) said the child was hospitalized in the northwestern city of Lubbock last week and tested positive for measles. As of Wednesday, 124 cases of measles have been confirmed associated with the outbreak, according to data from DSHS. Almost all of the cases are in unvaccinated individuals or individuals whose vaccination status is unknown, and 18 people have been hospitalized so far, DSHS said.
February 28, 2025Feb 28 I had the measles as a kid, and have been vaccinated at least three times, the last of which was in 2005. I’m not worried.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 I believe the measles vaccine has been proven safe and effective for decades and most people have no issue with it. I'm a nobody, but I'd recommend it. The best way to stop these outbreaks is to close the borders to illegal immigration. Certain proven vaccines, among other things, should be a requirement to move into this country legally. When I was a kid, vax records were required for public school enrollment. What has changed ... the enforcement?
March 3, 2025Mar 3 22 minutes ago, brkmsn said: I believe the measles vaccine has been proven safe and effective for decades and most people have no issue with it. I'm a nobody, but I'd recommend it. The best way to stop these outbreaks is to close the borders to illegal immigration. Certain proven vaccines, among other things, should be a requirement to move into this country legally. When I was a kid, vax records were required for public school enrollment. What has changed ... the enforcement? Again, the vast, vast majority of measles outbreaks are among communities of legal US citizens. Orthodox jews, anti-vax mommy blog readers, minorities of low SES, the Amish, etc. And the biggest difference in mandatory vaccinations from when you were a kid are the rise of private schools and religious exemptions for public schools. There is no way to enforce anything for the former but I'd be onboard with eliminating religious exemptions for the latter especially when the former is a viable option.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Again, the vast majority of measles outbreaks are among communities of legal US citizens. Orthodox jews, anti-vax mommy blog readers, minorities of low SES, the Amish, etc. And the biggest difference in mandatory vaccinations from when you were a kid are the rise of private schools and religious exemptions for public schools. There is no way to enforce anything for the former but I'd be onboard with eliminating religious exemptions for the latter especially when the former is a viable option. I doubt there are many Orthodox jews or Amish in the Texas panhandle area. But maybe your idea could be combined with vouchers, where public schools require immunization and religious exemptions are exercised through private schools with those shared values or beliefs.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 11 minutes ago, brkmsn said: I doubt there are many Orthodox jews or Amish in the Texas panhandle area. But maybe your idea could be combined with vouchers, where public schools require immunization and religious exemptions are exercised through private schools with those shared values or beliefs. Uhh, who exactly do you think predominantly got infected with measles in this most recent outbreak? Are you implying the local media in North Texas is part of some conspiracy to unfairly throw them under the bus or what? And to be clear, I'd also support mandatory vaccinations for any immigrants applying for a visa, naturalization, or asylum. If you want to live here or go to (public) school, you gotta prove you're not gonna be a disease vector and an undue threat to your fellow citizens.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 16 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Uhh, who exactly do you think predominantly got infected with measles People that weren't vaccinated. 17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Are you implying the local media in North Texas is part of some conspiracy to unfairly throw them under the bus or what? I didn't say anything about the media. Do you want me to? 19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: And to be clear, I'd also support mandatory vaccinations for any immigrants applying for a visa, naturalization, or asylum. If you want to live here or go to (public) school, you gotta prove you're not gonna be a disease vector and an undue threat to your fellow citizens. I agree with some of this. But it is important to understand that in the case of a disease like measles, that it's the unvaccinated that are at risk. There may be measles outbreaks. but they only gain traction in unvaccinated groups and aren't much of a risk to vaccinated people. Like other things, natural immunity will occur for those that recover and fatalities are unlikely (but possible). I think we both agree, at least, that the measles vaccine is good and people should get it to protect themselves and their families.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 Just now, brkmsn said: People that weren't vaccinated. I didn't say anything about the media. Do you want me to? No you didn't say anything about the media, but you did say you doubted there were many Amish communities in Texas. So you're either implying you're completely unaware of the circumstances of this most recent outbreak, or you're implying the local media and health departments are conspiring to lie about it.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 16 minutes ago, brkmsn said: that it's the unvaccinated that are at risk. Also, while not as common, the vaccinated can still get measles. Especially those with a compromised immune system or are undergoing an immune-suppressive treatment. Not to mention, babies aren't even able to get their first dose until their first birthday. So even if you do everything right as a parent, if you have a child under a year's age, they're still at risk because of some other shiddy person's poor decision making.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: No you didn't say anything about the media, but you did say you doubted there were many Amish communities in Texas. So you're either implying you're completely unaware of the circumstances of this most recent outbreak, or you're implying the local media and health departments are conspiring to lie about it. No... Unless you work for the media. I quoted your post: 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Again, the vast, vast majority of measles outbreaks are among communities of legal US citizens. Orthodox jews, anti-vax mommy blog readers, minorities of low SES, the Amish, etc. If that was something you got from another source, I think it was a generalization and not a "local" claim for this current outbreak in Texas. Do you have the names and labels of those currently infected so that we can properly attribute the "blame?"
March 3, 2025Mar 3 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Also, while not as common, the vaccinated can still get measles. Especially those with a compromised immune system or are undergoing an immune-suppressive treatment. Not to mention, babies aren't even able to get their first dose until their first birthday. So even if you do everything right as a parent, if you have a child under a year's age, they're still at risk because of some other shiddy person's poor decision making. don't get me started on babies and "poor decision making" ...
March 3, 2025Mar 3 4 minutes ago, brkmsn said: No... Unless you work for the media. I quoted your post: If that was something you got from another source, I think it was a generalization and not a "local" claim for this current outbreak in Texas. Do you have the names and labels of those currently infected so that we can properly attribute the "blame?" If this is the part where you claim all media outlets, including local ones, are untrustworthy, I'm not interested in indulging you. You can seek it out among any sources of your preference and come to your own conclusions.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 25 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: If this is the part where you claim all media outlets, including local ones, are untrustworthy, I'm not interested in indulging you. You can seek it out among any sources of your preference and come to your own conclusions. Once again ... I quoted you. You're the one that keeps bringing up media, but since this is real important to you, please tell me how many Orthodox jews and Amish are currently infected with measles in Texas. There are currently 146 reported cases and you listed those two groups as likely contributors --- so show to us where in Texas they live and what percentage they contribute to the 146. If I had to wager, I would guess that all the reported cases are unvaccinated individuals. But I'm not going to sit here and start blaming religion or even anti-vax standpoints as the persistant contributor. It is my belief that people that don't get this vaccination or have their kids get it are not antivax, but are just indifferent, lazy, too busy, or just never got around to it --- and some probably don't even know that it's normal for kids to get immunizations at certain ages. The narrative in this topic (and similar ones) is always "those evil anti-vaxers!" I just honestly don't believe that most of the cases here are from a purely "anti-vax" stance and do believe it's mostly from those reasons I just listed.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 39 minutes ago, brkmsn said: Once again ... I quoted you. You're the one that keeps bringing up media, but since this is real important to you, please tell me how many Orthodox jews and Amish are currently infected with measles in Texas. There are currently 146 reported cases and you listed those two groups as likely contributors --- so show to us where in Texas they live and what percentage they contribute to the 146. If I had to wager, I would guess that all the reported cases are unvaccinated individuals. The virus has largely spread among rural, oil rig-dotted towns in West Texas, with cases concentrated in a "close-knit, undervaccinated” Mennonite community State health department spokesperson Lara Anton said. Gaines County, which has reported 80 cases so far, has a strong homeschooling and private school community. It is also home to one of the highest rates of school-aged children in Texas who have opted out of at least one required vaccine, with nearly 14% skipping a required dose last school year. https://www.firstalert7.com/2025/02/26/first-measles-death-is-reported-west-texas-outbreak-thats-infected-more-than-120-people/ https://www.kcbd.com/2025/02/18/south-plains-health-officials-working-contain-measles-outbreak-encouraging-vaccination/ Quote But I'm not going to sit here and start blaming religion or even anti-vax standpoints as the persistant contributor. It is my belief that people that don't get this vaccination or have their kids get it are not antivax, but are just indifferent, lazy, too busy, or just never got around to it --- and some probably don't even know that it's normal for kids to get immunizations at certain ages. The narrative in this topic (and similar ones) is always "those evil anti-vaxers!" I just honestly don't believe that most of the cases here are from a purely "anti-vax" stance and do believe it's mostly from those reasons I just listed. No worries, I'll do it for you. These people are ignorant and their ignorance is a danger to others. And I don't care about their race, religion, gender, or citizenship status. You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but at the end of the day, their poor decisions negatively impacted themselves, as well as others. Call it laziness, gross negligence, or indifference, I don't care, I'll still call them ignorant, inconsiderate, and reckless because that's exactly what they are.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: The virus has largely spread among rural, oil rig-dotted towns in West Texas, with cases concentrated in a "close-knit, undervaccinated” Mennonite community State health department spokesperson Lara Anton said. Gaines County, which has reported 80 cases so far, has a strong homeschooling and private school community. It is also home to one of the highest rates of school-aged children in Texas who have opted out of at least one required vaccine, with nearly 14% skipping a required dose last school year. https://www.firstalert7.com/2025/02/26/first-measles-death-is-reported-west-texas-outbreak-thats-infected-more-than-120-people/ https://www.kcbd.com/2025/02/18/south-plains-health-officials-working-contain-measles-outbreak-encouraging-vaccination/ [quote]But I'm not going to sit here and start blaming religion or even anti-vax standpoints as the persistant contributor. It is my belief that people that don't get this vaccination or have their kids get it are not antivax, but are just indifferent, lazy, too busy, or just never got around to it --- and some probably don't even know that it's normal for kids to get immunizations at certain ages. The narrative in this topic (and similar ones) is always "those evil anti-vaxers!" I just honestly don't believe that most of the cases here are from a purely "anti-vax" stance and do believe it's mostly from those reasons I just listed. [/quote] No worries, I'll do it for you. These people are ignorant and their ignorance is a danger to others. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/who-are-the-mennonites-texas-measles/3779538/#:~:text=The Mennonite population being affected,officials and other public authorities. What are Mennonite views on vaccines? "Historically and theologically, there has not been any religious teaching against immunization in Mennonite circles,” Nolt said via email. "There’s no religious prohibition, no body of religious writing on it at all. That said, more culturally conservative Mennonite (and Amish) groups have tended to be under-immunized or partially-immunized.” Partly, he said, that's because they don't engage as regularly with health care systems as more assimilated groups do. Many traditional Anabaptist groups did accept vaccinations that were promoted in the mid-20th century, such as for tetanus and smallpox, but they have been more skeptical in recent years of newly introduced vaccines, Nolt said. But Old Colony groups who arrived in the late 20th century also "missed the whole mid-century immunization push, as they weren’t in the U.S. at that time."
March 3, 2025Mar 3 Just now, brkmsn said: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/who-are-the-mennonites-texas-measles/3779538/#:~:text=The Mennonite population being affected,officials and other public authorities. What are Mennonite views on vaccines? "Historically and theologically, there has not been any religious teaching against immunization in Mennonite circles,” Nolt said via email. "There’s no religious prohibition, no body of religious writing on it at all. That said, more culturally conservative Mennonite (and Amish) groups have tended to be under-immunized or partially-immunized.” Partly, he said, that's because they don't engage as regularly with health care systems as more assimilated groups do. Many traditional Anabaptist groups did accept vaccinations that were promoted in the mid-20th century, such as for tetanus and smallpox, but they have been more skeptical in recent years of newly introduced vaccines, Nolt said. But Old Colony groups who arrived in the late 20th century also "missed the whole mid-century immunization push, as they weren’t in the U.S. at that time." There's your answer. Glad this was fruitful for you.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 16 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: These people are ignorant and their ignorance is a danger to others. And I don't care about their race, religion, gender, or citizenship status. You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but at the end of the day, their poor decisions negatively impacted themselves, as well as others. Call it laziness, gross negligence, or indifference, I don't care, I'll still call them ignorant, inconsiderate, and reckless because that's exactly what they are. I don't need to "sugar coat" anything. I allow people to make their own decisions. I can try to influence people and try to persuade them to agree with me --- but belittling them and bullying them probably won't get desirable results. But you do you ...
March 3, 2025Mar 3 Just now, brkmsn said: I don't need to "sugar coat" anything. I allow people to make their own decisions. I can try to influence people and try to persuade them to agree with me --- but belittling them and bullying them probably won't get desirable results. But you do you ... When kids the same age as my daughters are dying from a preventable disease which has a very safe and effective vaccine, then my patience wears thin. If that makes me unable to persuade anyone from making such poor decisions then so be it. But the facts of what happens with these outbreaks remain unchanged, and the most contagious virus mankind has ever seen doesn't care about feelings.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: When kids the same age as my daughters are dying from a preventable disease which has a very safe and effective vaccine, then my patience wears thin. If that makes me unable to persuade anyone from making such poor decisions then so be it. But the facts of what happens with these outbreaks remain unchanged, and the most contagious virus mankind has ever seen doesn't care about feelings. If your concern is real, there are ways you can make an actual difference... as opposed to ranting on a football MB. Missionaries do this every day by spreading the message they feel is important.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 14 minutes ago, brkmsn said: If your concern is real, there are ways you can make an actual difference... as opposed to ranting on a football MB. Missionaries do this every day by spreading the message they feel is important. My concern is real, but I've found it's common that nothing I say can get them to listen to reason. The last 5 years has made me pretty cynical that people will ever change their minds no matter how many facts are cited. Someone more patient than me might be able to get through to them, but another issue is the amount of misinformation out there. Look no further than your initial claim that "the best way to stop these outbreaks" is to shutdown illegal immigration. Followed by your doubt that orthodox jews or the amish communities are often fertile ground for outbreaks because you didn't think there were any in Texas.
March 3, 2025Mar 3 13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: My concern is real, but I've found it's common that nothing I say can get them to listen to reason. The last 5 years has made me pretty cynical that people will ever change their minds no matter how many facts are cited. Someone more patient than me might be able to get through to them, but another issue is the amount of misinformation out there. Look no further than your initial claim that "the best way to stop these outbreaks" is to shutdown illegal immigration. Followed by your doubt that orthodox jews or the amish communities are often fertile ground for outbreaks because you didn't think there were any in Texas. If you don't like my claim about immigration, then where are all these new measles cases coming from if this country had it eradicated? Measles doesn't just manifest itself from nothing. I also showed you actual proof that there was no anti-vax theology within the Mennonites which means your claim of "ignorance" as a prime factor could easily be countered with education which you toss aside due to your cynicism you developed from my posts. You want the world to change, but you just don't want the pesky hassle of doing something to make a difference yourself. That's okay. I don't always feel like cooking when I'm hungry either.
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