I have always been a strong advocate for the death penalty, as I believe that certain actions require you be excised from the race like a tumor.

However, my brother in law, a public defender, then judge, was always able to argue me out of that position, since it is pretty clear we, as Americans, have executed the innocent, and made our society a murderous one.

As a father of two girls, I think that any sicko that chops my kids up with an axe, deserves nothing less than loss of their life.

Having a conscience, I cannot support living under a system that kills innocent people.

In the end, I don't want to be a murderer,  and have to oppose it.

A third of US executions botched in 2022

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64003124

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"This means they often lack the training necessary to deal with problems," he said. "Also, because the people who get the death sentence often have poor medical histories, such as illness or drug use, there are technical problems with getting IVs started."

That seems ridiculous. A third are botched or take hours too long?

I'm against it, based purely on the possibility of making a mistake.

5 minutes ago, Mlodj said:

I'm against it, based purely on the possibility of making a mistake.

This is where I am. When I was younger, I was pro death penalty. However, seeing people on death row be exonerated based on advances in DNA technology, I have decided we should never give the state the power to execute someone. We can monetarily compensate those wrongly incarcerated (like the Central Park 5), but we can't undo an execution. 

8 minutes ago, Mlodj said:

I'm against it, based purely on the possibility of making a mistake.

That is where my brother in law took me, and I can't find an answer other than 'No'

We don't execute enough.

I’m not against the DP in principal, but I don’t think it needs to be a blanket punishment for all murders, and I think very strict standards should apply before it is used. 

I don’t believe that it is a deterrent, I don’t believe in revenge, it cost more to house a prisoner on death row, executing one innocent person is one too many. I was very pro death penalty when I was younger but over the past decade or so I started moving to being against it. 

So if we ended up having another Dahmer or Gacy you guys wouldn't be for the death penalty for them?

Nope.  Death is preferable to rotting for the rest of your life in prison.  Death penalty is letting someone off easy.

All pedos should be killed

I am opposed to the death penalty

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So if we ended up having another Dahmer or Gacy you guys wouldn't be for the death penalty for them?

Life without the possibility of parole is a good enough punishment for me.

In other news, the once Sentenced to Death Cop Killer Mummia Abu Jama aka Wesley Cook, has a hearing today where a Judge will decide if he gets a new trial. 

The system is so f'ed up. The Evidence is overwhelming. Yet, if you yell bias enough you just may get a new trial. 

https://6abc.com/mumia-abu-jamal-trial-daniel-faulkner-murder-black-panthers-philadelphia-police/12578878/

30 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Nope.  Death is preferable to rotting for the rest of your life in prison.  Death penalty is letting someone off easy.

Well in the OP it says a 3rd of them are botched so it doesn't seem like they're letting them die peacefully

39 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So if we ended up having another Dahmer or Gacy you guys wouldn't be for the death penalty for them?

No. I don't want to give the government the ability to kill its citizens, especially when mistakes have been made.

40 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So if we ended up having another Dahmer or Gacy you guys wouldn't be for the death penalty for them?

The problem is there's no way to apply strictly to cases like that. If we have the death penalty, the government will invariably murder innocent people with it. 

Just now, Gannan said:

The problem is there's no way to apply strictly to cases like that. If we have the death penalty, the government will invariably murder innocent people with it. 

Exactly. 

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Well in the OP it says a 3rd of them are botched so it doesn't seem like they're letting them die peacefully

I don't think it's peaceful, usually it's pretty horrendous.  But a short period of excruciating pain is still preferable to a lifetime of captivity.

31 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

All pedos should be killed

If Qanon has taught me anything, all people accused of being pedos are 100% guilty every time. 

Fair enough

I'm for it, but only in extremely limited circumstances like heinous acts of terrorism. KSM, for example, should not still be alive. Same for McVeigh's execution and others. Standard of evidence would obviously need to be much higher to justify a death sentence to avoid improperly condemning the innocent.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm for it, but only in extremely limited circumstances like heinous acts of terrorism. KSM, for example, should not still be alive. Same for McVeigh and others. Standard of evidence would obviously need to be much higher to justify a death sentence to avoid improperly condemning the innocent.

Pretty much what I was eluding to in my post. 

I'd like to see a more nuanced poll before making my decision.  

for certain crimes, and when guilt is either admitted or proven way beyond a shadow of doubt.