June 22, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, EricAllenPick6 said: On (2), this is why he was fired. From this perspective he may have been the worst hire in team history. I'm prety sure that his 'unpopular' roster moves - especially DJax had something to do with it too.
June 22, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Jesus the one thing I hoped the move to this board got rid of is the need of some posters to competitively hate Chip Kelly, I don't get it, the great roster he supposedly gutted went 12-20 the two years prior to his arrival, he had one bad season in 3, and 2 years after he left we won the Superbowl, so he didn't set the franchise back at all, yet this board feels the need to collectively piss it's pants every time a story about him comes out. Chip Kelly isn't even in the top 3 worst coaches this team has had. The only thing you're correct about was about him not being a top 3 worst coach for the Eagles. No, he did set the franchise back. Him forcing management to part ways with DeSean Jackson, trading LeSean McCoy for an unproved linebacker in an unfamiliar system, to him trading a good prospect in Foles for a worse Quarterback and more picks, to him starting the season with Jordan Matthews, Miles Austin and Riley Cooper as his starting 3 receivers. He ran the same 3 plays over and over and over and over again. There was a Cowboys game where a player claimed that they knew every play Chip would run. It took massive overhauling of the team in order to right all of the wrongs that he made. We had to bring back the guy he traded away as a backup in order to fully redeem everything Chip did. Howie Roseman isn't perfect, but he was the mastermind of bringing this team back from the gutter.
June 23, 20205 yr The differences are great at UCLA. He isn't insulated like he was at Oregon. He couldn't offer the same state of the art facilities, unique brand positioning that Orgon had. He has to compete much harder with USC, and other local in-state schools. His reputation precedes him when it comes to recruits, they know the stories. He's only been at UCLA for 2 seasons. So, he is still building that program. But, time is short for a non-winning coach who has personality deficiencies. Even now, watching the few UCLA games that I have. I can see flashes of what might-have-been. But, it happens in a play or 2 a game. Chip seemingly will end up on Last Chance U, coaching some JUCO school for his redemptive chapter.
June 23, 20205 yr 19 hours ago, PhillyGreenMachine said: The only thing you're correct about was about him not being a top 3 worst coach for the Eagles. No, he did set the franchise back. Him forcing management to part ways with DeSean Jackson, trading LeSean McCoy for an unproved linebacker in an unfamiliar system, to him trading a good prospect in Foles for a worse Quarterback and more picks, to him starting the season with Jordan Matthews, Miles Austin and Riley Cooper as his starting 3 receivers. He ran the same 3 plays over and over and over and over again. There was a Cowboys game where a player claimed that they knew every play Chip would run. It took massive overhauling of the team in order to right all of the wrongs that he made. We had to bring back the guy he traded away as a backup in order to fully redeem everything Chip did. Howie Roseman isn't perfect, but he was the mastermind of bringing this team back from the gutter. He obviously didn't set the franchise back or we wouldn't have been able to win the SB 2 years later. He was a part of some blunder moves though like Riley Cooper and DeMarco Murray. I don't think moving on from DeSean was that terrible an idea at the time an DJax hasn't been able to stay healthy for 4+ seasons now. He did give up on McCoy too early. But it all worked out and we wouldn't be where we are right now without that Chip era.
June 23, 20205 yr On 6/22/2020 at 9:41 AM, Devaster said: I live among them now and they are insufferable. Local sports radio here still pines for Mariota. Uggg. Id move😉
June 23, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Devaster said: He obviously didn't set the franchise back or we wouldn't have been able to win the SB 2 years later. He was a part of some blunder moves though like Riley Cooper and DeMarco Murray. I don't think moving on from DeSean was that terrible an idea at the time an DJax hasn't been able to stay healthy for 4+ seasons now. He did give up on McCoy too early. But it all worked out and we wouldn't be where we are right now without that Chip era. I wouldnt call riley cooper a blunder move, he had a pretty good year the first year he started after maclin tore his acl. The rest F chip, he drafted ertz and Lane other than that he was a clown and so were all his duck fans.😒
June 23, 20205 yr Just now, Utebird said: I wouldnt call riley cooper a blunder move, he had a pretty good year the first year he started after maclin tore his acl. The rest F chip, he drafted ertz and Lane other than that he was a clown and so were all his duck fans.😒 No he didn’t. Howie drafted Lane and Ertz. Chip has zero control of player personnel that season
June 23, 20205 yr On 6/22/2020 at 4:32 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said: Jesus the one thing I hoped the move to this board got rid of is the need of some posters to competitively hate Chip Kelly, I don't get it, the great roster he supposedly gutted went 12-20 the two years prior to his arrival, he had one bad season in 3, and 2 years after he left we won the Superbowl, so he didn't set the franchise back at all, yet this board feels the need to collectively piss it's pants every time a story about him comes out. Chip Kelly isn't even in the top 3 worst coaches this team has had. Chip kelly won with Reids players running a new system that took about a year and a half for league defenses to figure out, after that it went quickly down hill exacerbated by chip being not just a bad GM but the whole organization from the top to the janitor disliking him.
June 23, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, PhillyGreenMachine said: No he didn’t. Howie drafted Lane and Ertz. Chip has zero control of player personnel that season Well then ill stop giving him credit for those 2 all pros and say F Chip😠
June 23, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, Utebird said: I wouldnt call riley cooper a blunder move, he had a pretty good year the first year he started after maclin tore his acl. The rest F chip, he drafted ertz and Lane other than that he was a clown and so were all his duck fans.😒 Riley Cooper was a flash in the pan for anyone watching him closely enough that season. A bit of an exaggeration but probably half of his catches that season were from dropped interceptions and tipped balls that were bad throws that should have gone the other way. Riley Cooper didn't have the looks of even a career #2 from my view, but I'm not expert.
June 23, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, Utebird said: Uggg. Id move😉 Pacific NW is beautiful. Love living here besides the local sports.
June 24, 20205 yr They were pretty dominate when they had those signs though. Likely just a coincidence but they started sucking when they stopped using them
June 24, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, Utebird said: Chip kelly won with Reids players running a new system that took about a year and a half for league defenses to figure out, after that it went quickly down hill exacerbated by chip being not just a bad GM but the whole organization from the top to the janitor disliking him. Chip Kelly's worst year of offensive production compares pretty well with Doug's best with a system that according to the coaching sages on this board everyone in the league had worked out being played by players that this board believes were worse, having gutted Reid's incredible 12-20 roster and 90% of this board refuses to recognise that this flies somewhat in the face of their own article of faith that Kelly was an dope coach who could only win with Reids players.
June 24, 20205 yr 14 hours ago, Devaster said: Riley Cooper was a flash in the pan for anyone watching him closely enough that season. A bit of an exaggeration but probably half of his catches that season were from dropped interceptions and tipped balls that were bad throws that should have gone the other way. Riley Cooper didn't have the looks of even a career #2 from my view, but I'm not expert. Cooper capitalized on the lack of expectations. He should have never been given that large of a contract. Because he was never going to sustain the numbers he produced prior to getting it. Cooper was always a decent #3/ #4 WR. Cooper reminds me of the Kevin Curtis signing. Curtis benefited in STL due to the talent around him. He had very good numbers out there esp in the playoffs. But, Curtis teetered on showing capabilities to be a #1 WR. We bring him here and expect that to be so immediately. Kevin had 1 great opening season, then the injuries began.
June 24, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Chip Kelly's worst year of offensive production compares pretty well with Doug's best with a system that according to the coaching sages on this board everyone in the league had worked out being played by players that this board believes were worse, having gutted Reid's incredible 12-20 roster and 90% of this board refuses to recognise that this flies somewhat in the face of their own article of faith that Kelly was an dope coach who could only win with Reids players. Reid players Foles, Mccoy, maclin, desean, avant, cooper, peters, mathis, kelce,herreman,Cox, Thornton, ryans, Kendricks, graham, Cole.Nate Allen. Id say thats a pretty substantial list of guys kelly inherited.
June 24, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Utebird said: Reid players Foles, Mccoy, maclin, desean, avant, cooper, peters, mathis, kelce,herreman,Cox, Thornton, ryans, Kendricks, graham, Cole.Nate Allen. Id say thats a pretty substantial list of guys kelly inherited. And the more of Reid's players he got rid of the worse the team got.
June 24, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: And the more of Reid's players he got rid of the worse the team got. Absolutely. Ertz and Lane Johnson were really the only two players during the chip era that he could hang his hat on and and he didnt draft either, Howie did. 3 players drafted players from chips 3 years as coach contributed to the super bowl win. Beau Allen 7th round pick and reserve DT, Nelson agholor, whom played well in 2017 but was a large disappointment as a 1st round pick And Jordan Hicks who was a 3rd rounder and possibly Chips best pick. He was hurt early 2017 and replaced by day trader and 2nd round Reid pick Mychal Kendricks, who played really well down the stretch in 2017. Malcolm Jenkins and Darren sproles were both brought in in 2014 but both are widely considered to be brought in by Howie as FA and trade. For the record i wasnt thrilled with the malcolm jenkins signing, whoops... The longer Chip was here the worse things got, the majority of his success came from a roster where the best players and starters were Reid players and the more of Reids players he got rid of the worse things got. Good riddance to chip. It was a lot of fun that first season as his fast break pace offense scored a bunch but after that 1st season defenses starting catching up and Chip in the name of "system"started jettisoning good players and people in the organization and it went downhill quick. To the point where we cant get through a PC without a member of the organization talking about emotional intelligence. 😄
June 24, 20205 yr Everything that was good was due to Howie. And now in 2020 everything that is bad is due to Howie. lol
June 24, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, Utebird said: For the record i wasnt thrilled with the malcolm jenkins signing, whoops... I think most might not of been thrilled. I don't remember how I felt about it but, at the time Byrd was a freaking ball hawk and looked to be a great play maker for a long time. Just now, Devaster said: Everything that was good was due to Howie. And now in 2020 everything that is bad is due to Howie. lol That's the way things work when things are going bad lol.
June 24, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I think most might not of been thrilled. I don't remember how I felt about it but, at the time Byrd was a freaking ball hawk and looked to be a great play maker for a long time. That's the way things work when things are going bad lol. Yup and Byrd also played at oregon, so there was that. Jenkins worked out though, thank sean payton for being stupid.
June 25, 20205 yr 17 hours ago, Utebird said: Absolutely. Ertz and Lane Johnson were really the only two players during the chip era that he could hang his hat on and and he didnt draft either, Howie did. What drove me nuts wasn't just that Lane was one of the few players Chip could hang his hat on. It was that Lane was the only O-lineman drafted during the Chip Kelly era. Every season I'm like "Bro, it's the only NFL position that fields five starters. Maybe we oughta think about what happens on the VERY likely chance that not all five starters survive the 16-game season."
June 25, 20205 yr On 6/24/2020 at 4:36 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said: Chip Kelly's worst year of offensive production compares pretty well with Doug's best with a system that according to the coaching sages on this board everyone in the league had worked out being played by players that this board believes were worse, having gutted Reid's incredible 12-20 roster and 90% of this board refuses to recognise that this flies somewhat in the face of their own article of faith that Kelly was an dope coach who could only win with Reids players. I'll bite. Chip's worst year (with the Eagles, we're not gonna include the 2-win season at SF) was 2015, where the Eagles went 6-9. They were 26th in yards, 20th in point differential, meaning they lost a lot....by a lot. They were 29th in takeaway/giveaway ratio....TWENTY NINTH out of 32. That means they lost the ball...a lot. (26INTs, 10 recoveries by D) They were 12th in total yards, and a surprising (yet still pedestrian) 13th in points.... average. Doug's best year was 2017, the year the Eagles won the Super Bowl. They were 4th in yards, 1st in point differential, meaning they won, by a lot. They were 4th in takeaway/giveaway ratio. (6INTs, 4 recoveries by D) They were 7th in total yards, and 4th in points scored. Not sure where you got your information. But it is false.
June 25, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Lloyd said: What drove me nuts wasn't just that Lane was one of the few players Chip could hang his hat on. It was that Lane was the only O-lineman drafted during the Chip Kelly era. Every season I'm like "Bro, it's the only NFL position that fields five starters. Maybe we oughta think about what happens on the VERY likely chance that not all five starters survive the 16-game season." Yup. Chip was lucky he walked into a team with a really good O line Peters and Mathis were All pro at least once during chips time kelce a pro bowler and herremans solid. After Lane though Chip didnt address OL at all and had miami not taken dion jordan eagles most likely take that bust instead of lane.😒
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