UK_EaglesFan89 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Here’s where Philadelphia Eagles went wrong with Mike Groh So, what went wrong with the Philadelphia Eagles and Mike Groh? Once upon a time, there was this overwhelming narrative that Philadelphia Eagles fans were among the smartest in all of the professional sports. While that may still be true, every once in a while you can find a few that make you question whether or not that theory is still accurate. Just hang out on social media for an hour or so if you disagree. You’ll get your daily take on why Carson Wentz can’t play, why Doug Pederson can’t coach, and why Howie Roseman has no clue about how to be a general manager. Sure, there are arguments to support and debunk all of those theories, but in reference to Pederson and Roseman, the long and the short of everything is this. Roseman isn’t terrible, but he has some severe deficiencies with his talent evaluation process. Pederson has, at times, been guilty of the same thing but for a different reason. He’s had to hold his roster together with nuts and bolts, but he wins anyway. Where he should put guys isn’t his issue. Who he should hire to help him lead these men is. He needs to learn how to hire assistant coaches and where he should put them. Look no further than the curious case former Eagles wide receivers coach and offensive coordinator Mike Groh. Here’s why Groh ultimately failed with the Philadelphia Eagles. Evaluation is a tricky thing, and oftentimes, it’s subjective. That’s why fans can’t get on the same page about Wentz. That’s why people who can play Madden believe they’d be better play-callers the Pederson. That’s why it’s so easy to find people who believe they can sit in the Eagles’ general manager chair and do a better job than Howie. To maintain long-term success, Coach Pederson is going to have to learn how to craft a better group of assistants. Let’s do some inventory. The jury is constantly out on his defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz (speaking of subjective opinions), but regardless of what happens or what the results are, Coach seems to be married to the guy. There is no offensive coordinator. There have been four different wide receivers coaches in each of Doug’s first four years at the helm (and they’ll be another wide receivers coach in his fifth). Here’s what’s strange though. So far, the best one he’s had has been the man he just fired from the O.C. position, Mike Groh. Here’s what’s strange though. So far, the best one he’s had has been the man he just fired from the O.C. position, Mike Groh. From day one, it was obvious that Groh appeared to be in over his head. Why? Well, it’s quite simple obviously. Pederson, like Roseman, has some issues with his evaluation process. Groh never had the ability to be an offensive coordinator. He’s an excellent wide receivers coach. Nothing more. Nothing less. If you’ll notice, Reich just hired him to do that job in Indy. Self-evaluation is a part of it. So is the fact that Doug should know what his coaches can and can’t do. Coaches have to be examined just like coaches, and Groh clearly wasn’t an O.C. He shouldn’t have been allowed to wear the title before anyone saw that though. Sometimes, guys are what they are, and if all Groh was meant to be was a wide receivers coach, there’s nothing wrong with that. There is some good news here. Heading into 2020, Philly has what might be the best group of coaching assistants we’ve seen during the Pederson era. Aaron Moorehead may finally drive a wedge in that revolving door at wide receivers coach. Marquand Manuel could wind up being the best defensive backs coach this team has had, and again, there’s no offensive coordinator, but they have senior offensive assistant Rich Scangarello and a man Eagles fans should know well, newly hired senior offensive consultant Marty Mornhinweg. Pederson is good at what he does, but a coach is nothing without the right group of assistants. That falls squarely on the shoulders of "Dougie P”. Coaching isn’t about the players alone. One has to know what his coaches are capable of. There was a misread on Groh, but both he and the "Birds” might wind up being in a better position because of it. https://insidetheiggles.com/2020/06/26/heres-philadelphia-eagles-went-wrong-mike-groh/ The main area Doug needs to improve is coaching his coaches. He's already been through so many coaches on offense, it's time to get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Knew before I read the article. Groh should have never been moved from WR coach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoconoDon Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Groh had to go. Just the way it is. the new staff should be pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Quote Roseman isn’t terrible, but he has some severe deficiencies with his talent evaluation process. Quote Pederson ... Who he should hire to help him lead these men is. He needs to learn how to hire assistant coaches and where he should put them. Yes and yes. I don't think Howie's talent evaluation success is ever going to be great - too long a track record of the same ole same ole. But I do hope Doug got it right with the recent hires. Our offense was too stale and predictable (albeit some of that was due to being depleted due to injuries). But too many players were not progressing as they should have. That's on coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenskeeper Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Groh...like Romo....is a (h)omo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesAddict Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Still not as bad as hiring your OL coach as the DC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eglz1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Peter principle at work. Unfortunately you may not know someone has reached their peak until they underwhelm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchew88 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 He just wasn't as good as a Mike Groh micro mic row Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByEagle Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I didn't feel he did that great of a job as a WR coach. he was just a bad hire all around. Was it worth a shot to bring him in at WR coach? Sure. But his promotion was a very poor choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 6 hours ago, DeathByEagle said: I didn't feel he did that great of a job as a WR coach. he was just a bad hire all around. Was it worth a shot to bring him in at WR coach? Sure. But his promotion was a very poor choice. Didn't he? 2017 was a pretty good year for all of our WRs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob331 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Interesting - I listen to the inside the birds podcast and Adam Caplan believes Doug's biggest deficiency is that he doesn't coach his coaches hard enough. Coaches have to be managed, pushed, and refocused just like players do. I tend to believe this is the biggest issue, and agree with Caplan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeeMak Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 20 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: Didn't he? 2017 was a pretty good year for all of our WRs? Good season for Agholor. 65% catch rate. But Alshon, 48% catch rate and Torrey Smith at 54% catch rate, not so good. Play-calling that season along with outstanding QB and TE execution were the difference. Frank Reich has been a huge loss. Mike Groh had no chance of filling those shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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