On 5/5/2023 at 2:44 PM, Kz! said:

How is this not being discussed in here? Sh**lib dems are trying to make him the next George Floyd. Discuss.

Ugh, you haven't been banned yet?

12 hours ago, SPIDER-MAN said:

Ugh, you haven't been banned yet?

Must ignore, must ignore

Feeding trolls gets you more troll.

 

The victim got what he deserved. Judge, Jury and executioner. Vigilantism, American justice at it's finest. 

Reports coming out that the MJ impersonator moonwalked up to the marine, looked him dead in the eye and said "Shamone".  Crazy, if true.

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

Reports coming out that the MJ impersonator moonwalked up to the marine, looked him dead in the eye and said "Shamone".  Crazy, if true.

Well that totally justifies choking him to death. No ish in he dude was crazy. That point has been pretty much established. 

This is actually what it means. 

28 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Well that totally justifies choking him to death. No ish in he dude was crazy. That point has been pretty much established. 

This is actually what it means. 

The ex-Marine who put him in the choke hold is going to get charged, no doubt, maybe rightfully so. This is more an indictment on the system and the politicians running it though.  This is what happens when the government quits doing their jobs, ordinary people eventually take it upon themselves to do it which leads to far more tragic consequences and lives destroyed.

46 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

The ex-Marine who put him in the choke hold is going to get charged, no doubt, maybe rightfully so. This is more an indictment on the system and the politicians running it though.  This is what happens when the government quits doing their jobs, ordinary people eventually take it upon themselves to do it which leads to far more tragic consequences and lives destroyed.

Yep, 100% the fault of NY's liberal soft-on-crime policies that allowed this guy to repeatedly prey on the weak and vulnerable. Pretty much an inevitability that someone was going to hurt him at some point. Hopefully the marine will walk. 

2 hours ago, Kz! said:

Yep, 100% the fault of NY's liberal soft-on-crime policies that allowed this guy to repeatedly prey on the weak and vulnerable. Pretty much an inevitability that someone was going to hurt him at some point. Hopefully the marine will walk. 

Well, he didn’t just hurt him, he killed him.  That’s kinda the issue.   It’s a tragedy all around.  I don’t think Penny intended to kill Neely.  But unfortunately that’s what happened.  Once Neely was neutralized, why didn’t Penny release the chokehold? That’s going to be the issue at hand, and it could mean that he was guilty of manslaughter.

52 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Well, he didn’t just hurt him, he killed him.  That’s kinda the issue.   It’s a tragedy all around.  I don’t think Penny intended to kill Neely.  But unfortunately that’s what happened.  Once Neely was neutralized, why didn’t Penny release the chokehold? That’s going to be the issue at hand, and it could mean that he was guilty of manslaughter.

From the video I’ve seen Neely seems to still be alive when released by Penny. He moves around a little bit. 

 

 

27 minutes ago, TEW said:

From the video I’ve seen Neely seems to still be alive when released by Penny. He moves around a little bit. 

 

 

"She was obese and died of a heart attack, and maybe not the 2 ton vehicle that rammed into her!"

33 minutes ago, TEW said:

From the video I’ve seen Neely seems to still be alive when released by Penny. He moves around a little bit. 

 

 

I believe the coroner already ruled his death a homicide due to compression of the neck. 

3 hours ago, TEW said:

From the video I’ve seen Neely seems to still be alive when released by Penny. He moves around a little bit. 

 

 

Not sure what video you’ve seen that shows that.  When paramedics arrived he was unconscious and they were performing CPR on him. 

14 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Well, he didn’t just hurt him, he killed him.  That’s kinda the issue.   It’s a tragedy all around.  I don’t think Penny intended to kill Neely.  But unfortunately that’s what happened.  Once Neely was neutralized, why didn’t Penny release the chokehold? That’s going to be the issue at hand, and it could mean that he was guilty of manslaughter.

Probably because it was an intense situation and he didn't want the hobo to get stabby? 

10 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Not sure what video you’ve seen that shows that.  When paramedics arrived he was unconscious and they were performing CPR on him. 

I think he's referring to the one shortly after he releases the hold and he and another good Samaritan try to get Michael Stabson into a recovery position. Tough to actually tell if he's moving or just flopping around, imo.  

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Probably because it was an intense situation and he didn't want the hobo to get stabby? 

I think he's referring to the one shortly after he releases the hold and he and another good Samaritan try to get Michael Stabson into a recovery position. Tough to actually tell if he's moving or just flopping around, imo.  

He didn't have a knife. 

Again, not sure what video you are referring to.  Not saying it doesn't exist, but I have yet to see a video that includes what happens as Penny releases the chokehold.  What we do know is that by the time paramedics arrived, he was unconscious and they began CPR. 

In Pennsylvania you can use non deadly force if threatened. Not sure what the law is in NY, or what kind of threat this dude represented. 

8 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

He didn't have a knife. 

Again, not sure what video you are referring to.  Not saying it doesn't exist, but I have yet to see a video that includes what happens as Penny releases the chokehold.  What we do know is that by the time paramedics arrived, he was unconscious and they began CPR. 

Yep, but the dude grappling him had no way of knowing that. Here's the video. Not much movement, but didn't seem completely limp either:

https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1655336512261611525

18 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Yep, but the dude grappling him had no way of knowing that. Here's the video. Not much movement, but didn't seem completely limp either:

https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1655336512261611525

So your logic is that after you've restrained someone and the perceived threat has been neutralized, you can continue to hold them in a chokehold for several more minutes because, even though you didn't see a knife, you have no way of knowing if this knocked out man could have a knife on him somewhere.   

Yeaaaaa that's not going to fly in court.  Thank god you're not Penny's lawyer. 

59 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Yep, but the dude grappling him had no way of knowing that. Here's the video. Not much movement, but didn't seem completely limp either:

https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1655336512261611525

lolwut? He's clearly unconscious in this video. The only movement of his body is being caused by the dude getting out from under him and the other guy holding his limbs.

2 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

So your logic is that after you've restrained someone and the perceived threat has been neutralized, you can continue to hold them in a chokehold for several more minutes because, even though you didn't see a knife, you have no way of knowing if this knocked out man could have a knife on him somewhere.   

Yeaaaaa that's not going to fly in court.  Thank god you're not Penny's lawyer. 

I'm not attempting to build a defense for him in the court of law. I'm explaining why he probably held the choke for as long as he did. Subway hobos are often the most stabby kind based on studies and data. 

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

I'm not attempting to build a defense for him in the court of law. I'm explaining why he probably held the choke for as long as he did. Subway hobos are often the most stabby kind based on studies and data. 

meh, that logic still doesn't really hold water.  I could certainly understand the logic behind taking him down.  But again, once he's been subdued, and on top of that you now have two additional people helping restrain him, then there's no need to continue holding him in a chokehold for several minutes.  The threat has already been neutralized. 

I'll also say this, the crime on the NYC subways has been out of control for a while now. If law enforcement doesn't do more to protect citizens, there's going to be more people taking the law into their own hands.