26 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

I liked them a lot more, before the USAF decided to red line my orders and make me a GCA radar tech.

Stationed in the radar shack on the runway, the used to rattle the walls when they took off, and even ear protectors didn't do much. Bet it felt great to be in that seat, though.

I can't swear to it, because it's been a lot of years ago now, but I think they used to fly over my house (treetop level), for a short period of time before they were retired back in the early 90's. Same with the A7 Corsair. I can't swear to it, but I think I remember seeing them for a short period of time. Definitely had A6 Intruders and F14's flying overhead for a lot of years before they were retired. Now it's all F-18's (mostly). Occasionally I'll see something different. Saw some French fighters one day (Delta wing fighters). 

The Navy practices "touch and go's" on a landing strip very close to my home. They're so low when they fly over my roof/yard that you can see the pilot in the cockpit. 

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With those jets (and other Navy carrier based planes) frequently flying overhead, there's a lot of noise but you get used to it and eventually don't even hear it unless it's blocking out the TV or a phone conversation. That's the 'negative' of them flying around here, but one 'positive' is that the Navy owns the air rights and won't allow any land development for housing or stores. So where I live is (almost) exactly the way it was when I moved here more than 30 years ago.  

As predicted

Families of Titanic sub’s victims could still sue despite liability waivers

https://www.yahoo.com/news/analysis-titanic-sub-victims-families-224111875.html

Waivers are not always ironclad, and it is not uncommon for judges to reject them if there is evidence of gross negligence or hazards that were not fully disclosed.

"If there were aspects of the design or construction of this vessel that were kept from the passengers or it was knowingly operated despite information that it was not suitable for this dive, that would absolutely go against the validity of the waiver,” said personal injury attorney and maritime law expert Matthew D. Shaffer, who is based in Texas.

4 hours ago, Toastrel said:

This is all these nimrods have.

Bad thing happens and cue the "Biden did this!! His failed liberal policies, even the ones put in place by Trump, did this!!! Raaaaaghj!!!!!"

So a handful of billionaires snuff it in a vanity dive, gawd knows how much money gets spent searching for them because they are friends with the likes of Elon Musk, and it's all the fault of....communism?

1 minute ago, paco said:

Oh... I see you are also a bit more progressive and ahead of the curve.

 

Oh yes, not like these unwashed peasants in their pollutin' submersibles. I knew I'd get your attention, when can I expect the first round of investment? I'm eager to, uh, purchase the necessary progressive material.

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

So a handful of billionaires snuff it in a vanity dive, gawd knows how much money gets spent searching for them because they are friends with the likes of Elon Musk, and it's all the fault of....communism?

I feel for the 19 year old. I have no idea if it's true but my wife read that he didn't want to go, and the dad basically guilted him into it as a father's day gift. 😔

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

Oh yes, not like these unwashed peasants in their pollutin' submersibles. I knew I'd get your attention, when can I expect the first round of investment? I'm eager to, uh, purchase the necessary progressive material.

Will the submersible be made of 100% recycled materials?

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Will the submersible be made of 100% recycled materials?

100% re-recycled 

 

1 minute ago, Boogyman said:

In a just world people like him would be relegated to drunk idiot at the end of the bar.

16 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I can't swear to it, because it's been a lot of years ago now, but I think they used to fly over my house (treetop level), for a short period of time before they were retired back in the early 90's. Same with the A7 Corsair. I can't swear to it, but I think I remember seeing them for a short period of time. Definitely had A6 Intruders and F14's flying overhead for a lot of years before they were retired. Now it's all F-18's (mostly). Occasionally I'll see something different. Saw some French fighters one day (Delta wing fighters). 

The Navy practices "touch and go's" on a landing strip very close to my home. They're so low when they fly over my roof/yard that you can see the pilot in the cockpit. 

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With those jets (and other Navy carrier based planes) frequently flying overhead, there's a lot of noise but you get used to it and eventually don't even hear it unless it's blocking out the TV or a phone conversation. That's the 'negative' of them flying around here, but one 'positive' is that the Navy owns the air rights and won't allow any land development for housing or stores. So where I live is (almost) exactly the way it was when I moved here more than 30 years ago.  

Awesome.

14 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

So a handful of billionaires snuff it in a vanity dive, gawd knows how much money gets spent searching for them because they are friends with the likes of Elon Musk, and it's all the fault of....communism?

I never said it made sense.

15 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I feel for the 19 year old. I have no idea if it's true but my wife read that he didn't want to go, and the dad basically guilted him into it as a father's day gift. 😔

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/titanic-submersible-shahwood-suleman-family-tragedy-rcna90678

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In the days before the Titan vessel went into the ocean off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada, the 19-year-old university student accompanying his father on the expedition expressed hesitation about going, his aunt said in an interview Thursday.

Azmeh Dawood — the older sister of Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood — told NBC News that her nephew, Suleman, informed a relative that he "wasn't very up for it" and felt "terrified" about the trip to explore the wreckage of the Titanic.

 

But the 19-year-old ended up going aboard OceanGate's 22-foot submersible because the trip fell over Father's Day weekend and he was eager to please his dad, who was passionate about the lore of the Titanic, according to Azmeh.

"I am thinking of Suleman, who is 19, in there, just perhaps gasping for breath ... It's been crippling, to be honest," Azmeh said in a phone interview from the home in Amsterdam she shares with her husband, Jonathan.

 

8 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

They're not sending their best.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

I dont have any news reports, just going off the dude whose tweets were posted in here.  Seems like he nailed it and the small community of these people found out almost immediately.  

Im just saying it doesnt make someone a conspiracy theorist or whatever to question what Oceangate knew and when they knew it.  I thought it was ridiculous the way Mike was attacked for just expressing something Id agree with. If they had a pretty good idea the thing imploded during ascent, share that info and be forthcoming.  For a number of reasons.

What they knew and when they knew it will come out in discovery and litigation for sure. The thread was a guy with tons of experience giving his informed opinion on what happened. But we have pretty clearly established that the guys at Oceangate hired people with very little experience on purpose. You're jumping to conspiracy when stupidity is the much more likely answer.

37 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

As predicted

Families of Titanic sub’s victims could still sue despite liability waivers

https://www.yahoo.com/news/analysis-titanic-sub-victims-families-224111875.html

Waivers are not always ironclad, and it is not uncommon for judges to reject them if there is evidence of gross negligence or hazards that were not fully disclosed.

"If there were aspects of the design or construction of this vessel that were kept from the passengers or it was knowingly operated despite information that it was not suitable for this dive, that would absolutely go against the validity of the waiver,” said personal injury attorney and maritime law expert Matthew D. Shaffer, who is based in Texas.

No waiver can ever protect a person or company from gross negligence or willful misconduct. 

41 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

100% re-recycled 

 

Will it be biodegradable too?  You don’t want it to be sitting on the bottom of the ocean for generations 

44 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

My goodness....who is this guy, cause he should really be fired from his job.  He was right though, it was a really dumb question.

16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

No waiver can ever protect a person or company from gross negligence or willful misconduct. 

So you don't think the CEO actively bragging about skirting safety concerns on camera is going to play well in court?

13 minutes ago, paco said:

Will it be biodegradable too?  You don’t want it to be sitting on the bottom of the ocean for generations 

They built the hull out of a composite fiber instead of Steel or Titanium. Many experts warned the company of the dangers and called it experimental. However, the real experiment was putting that thing in the water, without testing it or getting it Certified. To me that's Gross Negligence, especially if they didn't tell the customers.

33 minutes ago, paco said:

Will it be biodegradable too?  You don’t want it to be sitting on the bottom of the ocean for generations 

It's so progressive it's degrading even while people are in it 

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I feel for the 19 year old. I have no idea if it's true but my wife read that he didn't want to go, and the dad basically guilted him into it as a father's day gift. 😔

His father failed him by not protecting his son.

26 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

They built the hull out of a composite fiber instead of Steel or Titanium. Many experts warned the company of the dangers and called it experimental. However, the real experiment was putting that thing in the water, without testing it or getting it Certified. To me that's Gross Negligence, especially if they didn't tell the customers.

The submersible had successfully made that dive and others. 

 

The core issue is the rating of the viewport and if any regular checks of the pressure hull for stress fatigue had been done.

46 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

So you don't think the CEO actively bragging about skirting safety concerns on camera is going to play well in court?

The lawyers best shot is to try and have that excluded since he isn’t available to testify. High bar to clear, but that’s their only chance. 

14 minutes ago, BBE said:

The submersible had successfully made that dive and others. 

 

The core issue is the rating of the viewport and if any regular checks of the pressure hull for stress fatigue had been done.

Your second point kinda undermines the first one though. The viewport was obviously part of the same vessel that successfully made that dive and others previously too. But just because the submersible survived 5 dives and then failed on the 6th one doesn't mean the hull was necessarily built with the proper materials.

As an analogy, if a block of flash memory is rated for 10k read/write cycles, but I use it in an application where I'm planning for 50k read/write cycles, the fact that it might last until 20k cycles doesn't mean it "succeeded" for the application I needed it for. From what Cameron has said, basically nobody in the industry uses carbon fiber as a hull material for any submersibles intended for those depths. 

1 hour ago, Boogyman said:

Here's the part I don't understand - it would have taken him 2 minutes to do a quick google search and get the answer.  Why post it on twitter and subject yourself to ridicule?  Is he truly that dumb, or do these idiots view any click/reaction as an overall positive?