17 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I'm not an immigrant, but nice racist assumption. Shockingly, many Asians are natural born US citizens.

So does that mean you also speak American? 😮 

16 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I mean, it's really not that difficult. Race is a federally protected class, like gender. You can't discriminate SOLELY on the basis of race. Schools will prioritize students from poorer school districts instead, and that is 100% legal.

And if the goal is to help prop up underprivileged people, that’s the way it should be. Poverty is colorblind 

15 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

1) I'm not your son

2) quotas is as lazy as you can with "solving" a problem. It's a surface level solution that does absolutely nothing to address the root cause of a problem

3) AA wasn't "for minorities".  It was for some minorities.  And an argument can be made that it actually didn't help. 

I was an amateur boxer in college.  As a white kid, I was a minority in that arena.  Training in gyms in DC, I was one of few white kids in the gym, sometimes the only one.  If USABoxing had come out with a policy that said, "white boxers will be given an extra 2 points for each round and black boxers will be deducted 1 point for each round" do you think this would have helped me in my quest to be the best amateur boxer I can be?  

 

22 minutes ago, paco said:

 

LOLOL people would have lost a lot of money following that advice against me!

44 minutes ago, paco said:

So does that mean you also speak American? 😮 

 

23 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

LOLOL people would have lost a lot of money following that advice against me!

Well yeah.  You were given 2 extra points per round.  No way to know if your success is due to your own merit or not.

25 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

The Nye Mets are my favorite squadron

 

  That's why the Simpsons was so damn good back then.  That one line has 3 layers

1)  Nye instead of New York

2) Squadron

3) The Mets being perceived as a professional baseball team

AA helped break the ceiling but now it really needs to be replaced with something else and that something can’t be based on victimhood or pure skin color based criteria. Help is needed of course and that means funding. I think some sort of program aimed at the 8-14yr olds and their situation in the combination of in school support and home environment is the key. Obviously we have had tons of that before but time to strike a new path. 

18 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Universities like Harvard will start to use "adversity scores" as something of a proxy for what AA was trying to accomplish.

My understanding is that a lot of colleges already use something like this in their admissions process (my mother worked for UD and the state education program for awhile). That's why those highschool "scores" from places like USNews factor in things like "disadvantaged student" percentage. It's not just window dressing, colleges are starting to factor that in more than they used to. 

12 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

My understanding is that a lot of colleges already use something like this in their admissions process (my mother worked for UD and the state education program for awhile). That's why those highschool "scores" from places like USNews factor in things like "disadvantaged student" percentage. It's not just window dressing, colleges are starting to factor that in more than they used to. 

If done right it can be a good tool. Lots of potential for error though. I don’t think skin color should be a param for example. Should we take bmi as a factor? How about height? Level of attractiveness? Etc

It can be valuable but will be quite tough to get right. Probably the easiest criteria would be home address, school, parental income , and other similar criteria. As soon as one tries to measure things like privilege or historical cultural disadvantage things will go haywire. 

12 hours ago, NOTW said:

One part of the problem is pushing 4 year degree with expensive student loans as the only path. Not trades, technical schools and other options. A lot of people with degrees don't use them and end up in jobs that don't require degrees like sales or real estate. Not every 17 year old knows truly what they want to do. 

I'm curious as to why @Dave Moss "laughed" at this quote, as I 100% agree with it.

14 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

What about privately endorsed scholarships?  For example can some wealthy black alum earmark their yearly donation or inheritance lump sum donation just for black students?

my kid's hs put out a list of potential college scholarships & more than half were for females or poc so he couldn't apply for those...so i reckon this is already a thing. 

2 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

my kid's hs put out a list of potential college scholarships & more than half were for females or poc so he couldn't apply for those...so i reckon this is already a thing. 

It absolutely is.  I'm just curious if this ruling could affect the legality of those scholarships.  I saw something about Charles Barkley saying he was specifically earmarking his donations to Auburn to black students after this ruling. If the school itself were to offer cheaper enrollment to black students only, would that violate this ruling?  Can private donors offer scholarships to schools that essentially do the same thing?  What about Private universities?

I'm not trying to make a point.  I'm more just curious honestly.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

AA helped break the ceiling but now it really needs to be replaced with something else and that something can’t be based on victimhood or pure skin color based criteria. Help is needed of course and that means funding. I think some sort of program aimed at the 8-14yr olds and their situation in the combination of in school support and home environment is the key. Obviously we have had tons of that before but time to strike a new path. 

I think 8-14 is also still too late. 🤷‍♂️

4 hours ago, paco said:

The Nye Mets are my favorite squadron

 

  That's why the Simpsons was so damn good back then.  That one line has 3 layers

1)  Nye instead of New York

2) Squadron

3) The Mets being perceived as a professional baseball team

Remember when he named one of his kids Condoleeza?

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

I'm curious as to why @Dave Moss "laughed" at this quote, as I 100% agree with it.

I don’t know.  I laugh at everything on here.  Especially Dr. Philly posts…

3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I think 8-14 is also still too late. 🤷‍♂️

Sure. Start earlier. 

17 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

I don’t know.  I laugh at everything on here.  Especially Dr. Philly posts…

I always know when I’ve made a good post when you do that. Btw - There you go using my brand again without tagging me 

On 7/6/2023 at 1:30 PM, DrPhilly said:

I always know when I’ve made a good post when you do that. Btw - There you go using my brand again without tagging me 

 

On 7/6/2023 at 10:47 AM, JohnSnowsHair said:

I think 8-14 is also still too late. 🤷‍♂️

Perhaps

which is why the smart move is to stop investing in these programs

On 7/6/2023 at 1:22 PM, Dave Moss said:

I don’t know.  I laugh at everything on here.  Especially Dr. Philly posts…

Because you are a fraud as an intellectual

On 7/5/2023 at 8:16 PM, DEagle7 said:

What about privately endorsed scholarships?  For example can some wealthy black alum earmark their yearly donation or inheritance lump sum donation just for black students?

I'm guessing no. However, what the alumnus could do is identify students who are accepted but can't afford to go, and then simply pay for them as one might for their own kids. Once the university is administering or managing the $, it's probably a no-no.

 

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

That doesn't really speak to the total number of students.  Its a misrepresentation to say its for the very, very rich.

How many students are there in the 99.9 percentile anyway?

Great, all 17 of them got into college. 

Now compare that to the thousands and thousands of students to the left side of that 99th percentile curve.

Bogus narrative to distract from the absolute fact that it was always unconstitutional, actual system racism 

Do you know how percentiles work? 

A bit less than 3 million are admitted as freshmen each year. 0.1% of that would be a bit less than 3k.