July 2, 20232 yr DC schools doing well to prepare their kids On state assessments, the percentage of high school students that "met" or "exceeded" expectations in the math test declined from 18.4 percent in 2019 to just 11 percent in 2022. English scores stayed the same. Absenteeism is also up, with the percentage of students absent for more than 10 percent of the school year reaching a staggering 48 percent in the 2021–22 academic year, increasing from 29 percent three years prior. Absenteeism is also up, with the percentage of students absent for more than 10 percent of the school year reaching a staggering 48 percent in the 2021–22 academic year, increasing from 29 percent three years prior. https://reason.com/2023/04/03/d-c-s-test-scores-and-absenteeism-rates-are-getting-worse-so-why-are-more-students-graduating/
July 2, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: DC schools doing well to prepare their kids On state assessments, the percentage of high school students that "met" or "exceeded" expectations in the math test declined from 18.4 percent in 2019 to just 11 percent in 2022. English scores stayed the same. Absenteeism is also up, with the percentage of students absent for more than 10 percent of the school year reaching a staggering 48 percent in the 2021–22 academic year, increasing from 29 percent three years prior. Absenteeism is also up, with the percentage of students absent for more than 10 percent of the school year reaching a staggering 48 percent in the 2021–22 academic year, increasing from 29 percent three years prior. https://reason.com/2023/04/03/d-c-s-test-scores-and-absenteeism-rates-are-getting-worse-so-why-are-more-students-graduating/ If the kids can't be bothered to show up, how can we possibly teach them anything? There's probably a direct correlation between absenteeism and failure to meet basic standards. That was certainly the case 15-20 years ago.
July 2, 20232 yr Author Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk both got tons of money from the government which helped them grow their businesses. I mean, we could start there if we’re talking about government programs helping people.
July 3, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk both got tons of money from the government which helped them grow their businesses. I mean, we could start there if we’re talking about government programs helping people. And paid tons of taxes
July 3, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Gannan said: If the kids can't be bothered to show up, how can we possibly teach them anything? There's probably a direct correlation between absenteeism and failure to meet basic standards. That was certainly the case 15-20 years ago. I think the way to get at that is, instead of dumping money into schools because the data shows more money doesn’t equal better, to dump money into after school programs and daycare. If these kids aren’t getting positive role models at home then perhaps they can get it through extra curricular activities.
July 3, 20232 yr Author 35 minutes ago, Bill said: I think the way to get at that is, instead of dumping money into schools because the data shows more money doesn’t equal better, to dump money into after school programs and daycare. If these kids aren’t getting positive role models at home then perhaps they can get it through extra curricular activities. Bill, you should run a D&D club
July 3, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Bill said: I think the way to get at that is, instead of dumping money into schools because the data shows more money doesn’t equal better, to dump money into after school programs and daycare. If these kids aren’t getting positive role models at home then perhaps they can get it through extra curricular activities. Doesnt work either
July 3, 20232 yr On 7/1/2023 at 9:17 AM, ToastJenkins said: Obviously they just need more of your money and more Munsons teaching (7) If paternity leave pays you $3000/week, how much do you have after 4 weeks? --- (a) None. The chicken was so expensive. --- (b) 1714 airport croissants --- (c) If it's a trans man, he will be getting maternity leave on top of that, right? --- (d) white supremacy
July 3, 20232 yr AA is purely racist. That said, it was needed because of the inherent racism in our nation, and its laws.
July 3, 20232 yr For the Harvard class admitted in 1969, Black enrollment jumped. Of the 1,202 freshmen in the class, 90 were African American, up from 51 in 1968, a 76 percent increase. Without Affirmative Action, will those numbers go in reverse?
July 3, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: For the Harvard class admitted in 1969, Black enrollment jumped. Of the 1,202 freshmen in the class, 90 were African American, up from 51 in 1968, a 76 percent increase. Without Affirmative Action, will those numbers go in reverse? I doubt it. Schools will still want to demonstrate diversity in their ranks for a variety of reasons (media optics, appealing to a largely liberal student population, private donations etc). If they can't use race directly, they'll probably just shift to prioritizing proxy demographics to get a similar outcome. Too many work around for this the change much IMO. Guess we'll find out.
July 3, 20232 yr Geraldo Rivera Says He Was a ‘Product of Affirmative Action’ During Final Fox News Appearance (Video) "I thank you for the for the opportunity, because affirmative action has just been voted down by the Supreme Court of the United States and a very controversial decision that will impact many people of color,” Rivera said. "I was a product of affirmative action over a half a century ago.” "When the Ford Foundation and Columbia Journalism School got together to integrate the local news teams in New York, there were no Black reporters, no Hispanic reporters, no women, and it was shocking,” Rivera continued. "And that was as late as 1968, 69. So I was selected.
July 3, 20232 yr Was Geraldo trying to make a point for - or against - AA? I would have been OK without him...
July 3, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, Bill said: I think the way to get at that is, instead of dumping money into schools because the data shows more money doesn’t equal better, to dump money into after school programs and daycare. If these kids aren’t getting positive role models at home then perhaps they can get it through extra curricular activities. That might help somewhat but it's ultimately a culture problem. In America, it's just not cool to be smart. We glorify athletic excellence while other countries glorify academic excellence. We all probably remember who the homecoming or prom queen was from high school, but how many of us remember the valedictorian? Seventeen year old kids who can write a computer program to beat you at checkers are called nerds while kids who go to parties to get drunk and high are called cool. We can blame the parents for most of these issues up to a certain age, but at some point a lot of kids start listening to their friends and stop caring what their parents thinks.
July 3, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I doubt it. Schools will still want to demonstrate diversity in their ranks for a variety of reasons (media optics, appealing to a largely liberal student population, private donations etc). If they can't use race directly, they'll probably just shift to prioritizing proxy demographics to get a similar outcome. Too many work around for this the change much IMO. Guess we'll find out. When California did away with AA in 1996 they struggled to meet diversity goals. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1185226895/heres-what-happened-when-affirmative-action-ended-at-california-public-colleges However I think the big issue here is that by the time a student graduates HS their ability to succeed or fail at the college level is already baked in. Blacks and Hispanics have much higher dropout rates than Whites and Asians. They're not being setup for success at the college level. Fixing the lack of diversity at the college level requires much earlier intervention. That is the hard problem that we as a society need to be focused on. AA in college admissions is feel-good policy that's chosen because it's easier to implement, but it's a clumsy approach that sets these underserved students up for failure while patting ourselves on the back for the attempt.
July 3, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: That might help somewhat but it's ultimately a culture problem. In America, it's just not cool to be smart. We glorify athletic excellence while other countries glorify academic excellence. We all probably remember who the homecoming or prom queen was from high school, but how many of us remember the valedictorian? Seventeen year old kids who can write a computer program to beat you at checkers are called nerds while kids who go to parties to get drunk and high are called cool. We can blame the parents for most of these issues up to a certain age, but at some point a lot of kids start listening to their friends and stop caring what their parents thinks. Goddamnit clone, what did I say about posting before me?
July 3, 20232 yr 18 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: Was Geraldo trying to make a point for - or against - AA? I would have been OK without him... I think what Geraldo was saying is, AA was good for him, given that when he started there were no Black, Hispanic or female reporters and that things have changed for the better, since AA was enacted.
July 3, 20232 yr 34 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: When California did away with AA in 1996 they struggled to meet diversity goals. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1185226895/heres-what-happened-when-affirmative-action-ended-at-california-public-colleges However I think the big issue here is that by the time a student graduates HS their ability to succeed or fail at the college level is already baked in. Blacks and Hispanics have much higher dropout rates than Whites and Asians. They're not being setup for success at the college level. Fixing the lack of diversity at the college level requires much earlier intervention. That is the hard problem that we as a society need to be focused on. AA in college admissions is feel-good policy that's chosen because it's easier to implement, but it's a clumsy approach that sets these underserved students up for failure while patting ourselves on the back for the attempt. Yep, exactly. I watched a vid of someone provide a counter who said "yeah, but enrollment went up at other CA universities and overall graduation rates for blacks significantly increased”. The fix needs to start in earlier schooling and in the home culture.
July 3, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: When California did away with AA in 1996 they struggled to meet diversity goals. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1185226895/heres-what-happened-when-affirmative-action-ended-at-california-public-colleges However I think the big issue here is that by the time a student graduates HS their ability to succeed or fail at the college level is already baked in. Blacks and Hispanics have much higher dropout rates than Whites and Asians. They're not being setup for success at the college level. Fixing the lack of diversity at the college level requires much earlier intervention. That is the hard problem that we as a society need to be focused on. AA in college admissions is feel-good policy that's chosen because it's easier to implement, but it's a clumsy approach that sets these underserved students up for failure while patting ourselves on the back for the attempt. Not underserved. We pour ton after ton of resources into them. It doesnt work to fix the problem of dumb, crappy parents and thats across all races.
July 3, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said: Not underserved. We pour ton after ton of resources into them. It doesnt work to fix the problem of dumb, crappy parents and thats across all races. The issue definitely goes deeper than money. My district spends about $5k less/student than Philly and is one of the best public school districts in the state. Underserved isn't just about money. It's the difficult problem to solve because government is poorly positioned to provide solutions to them. How do you compensate for a difference where in my district the average kindergarten student has been exposed to over a million words by parents able and willing to read to them from a young age, vs in Philly where it's statistically so much less? It's not just about the words; being exposed to these ideas provoke critical thinking and mental growth that cannot be made up later. Programs like Headstart attempt to narrow this gap, but they're expensive and unable to impact in ways that a home life pushing this can. There may be ways to improve there but short of wholesale takeover of early care and learning I fail to see how a community solution could ever make up for missing this at home.
July 3, 20232 yr Compensate? Simple. You dont. Its a fools task and terrible roi. the goal is the get them to a baseline of functional. Thats it
July 3, 20232 yr No we can all be in the top 10%. Every single student should be at the top of their class.
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