3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Just because you started the thread doesn’t mean you have to go through and grade everyone else’s opinions.  Don’t try so hard.  

Relax. Just killing time in lockdown. It's not like this thread has reached 12 pages. I'm enjoying chatting about the Eagles O. 

8 hours ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

 

I still think Watson should have won that Heisman over Lamar Jackson (2016 iirc) but I've always liked Watson and would like to see him succeed (as long as it isn't at our expense) but I wonder about the longevity of Jackson. He's a different kind of talent than we've seen but his style of play historically hasn't aged well.

Yeah I agree on Jackson. His style means he's more likely to take hits. Unprotected hits at that. He certainly runs a greater risk of getting hurt i think. 

My Biggest suspect is the offensive line. Normally it takes a while for O Line to gel. With Brooks's injury, Questionable backups, LT is no longer a strength and everyone is getting a year older..I see a C+ line. B- tops. I am optimistic about WR and think it is at least a C if not better with healthy Jackson coming back. RB and QB are good..and TE are strength of our team.  So as long as the O Line holds up...we should be just fine.

 

21 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Dillard looked like he just needed to add strength to be a top-tier NFL tackle. There are reports he did that, so I am optimistic.

As far as Pryor, he looked fine when he was in there last year, and he may not even win the job. If you look at our division, every team has issues at guard with their starters. Williams isn't very good in Dallas. Will Hernandez had a terrible second season. And Washington doesn't even have a starter at one guard spot right now.

And consider this, Brooks was the top rated guard in football last year and Seumalo was in the top ten. Pryor wasn't starting because he isn't good, he wasn't starting because the guys in front of him are the best in the league. Right now he starts for every other team in the division, and I am sure he competes for a starting job on every other team in the conference. For example, he's probably better than what NO will have at guard this year, and NO has the fifth-best ranked offensive line in football. The Cowboys are number four.

Giving out a grade doesn't involve just looking at our team, it involves looking at what else is out there. Are the Cowboys better than us with average guys at center and guard? Are the Saints better with an average guard at one spot and a rookie at the other?

These grades are on a curve. You can't give the Eagles a bad grade without giving someone else a good one. We lost Brooks and Peters, but the Saints lost Warford and the Cowboys lost Frederick. I am simply saying that Pryor and Dillard are going to be better replacements than the ones being inserted into the lineups in Dallas and NO. And overall we are still in the upper echelon of offensive lines.  

Good point about Pryor.  He is behind Brooks and his PT and performance would have been different if that was not the case.  Pryor is the apparent choice of RG at the moment.  He will now get his chance to play and show his abilities.

11 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

My Biggest suspect is the offensive line. Normally it takes a while for O Line to gel. With Brooks's injury, Questionable backups, LT is no longer a strength and everyone is getting a year older..I see a C+ line. B- tops. I am optimistic about WR and think it is at least a C if not better with healthy Jackson coming back. RB and QB are good..and TE are strength of our team.  So as long as the O Line holds up...we should be just fine.

 

O-Line and wide receiver are the biggest variables. All the other positions are good (provided Wentz and Sanders stay healthy). TE is great. But I don't agree that LT is no longer a strength - it's an unknown. Dillard did okay at LT as a rookie. He was a first rounder who needed to put on muscle, which reportedly he has. LT is an unknown, but it really could be a strength.

WR - yeah, it should be better. I think the issue is every single one of the receivers has question marks. But there is a lot of potential there as well and we only need 2-3 of them to work out, so I'm optimistic.

As you say - a lot will come down to the line. I'm hopeful, but no doubt Brooks was a big loss.

On 7/2/2020 at 7:14 PM, 4for4EaglesNest said:

QB- B 

RB- C+

WR-D

TE- A

OLine- B-

 

Coaching- C+
 

You guys are stoned homers.   

So? lol

Stoned homers

13 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

My Biggest suspect is the offensive line. Normally it takes a while for O Line to gel. With Brooks's injury, Questionable backups, LT is no longer a strength and everyone is getting a year older..I see a C+ line. B- tops. I am optimistic about WR and think it is at least a C if not better with healthy Jackson coming back. RB and QB are good..and TE are strength of our team.  So as long as the O Line holds up...we should be just fine.

 

It hasn’t been for a while.  Dillard might actually change that.

QB: B. Wentz has elite potential but needs to sustain it for a full season, including the postseason. I am skeptical of Sudfeld, and Hurts is intriguing but an unknown. Wentz is an A-, the other guys drag it down. 
 

RB: B-. Similar to QB, the number one guy is a potential stud. However, need to see Sanders do it as the #1 guy for an entire season. Scott flashed, but so did Bryce Brown once upon a time. Lack if depth is concerning, but RBs are a dime a dozen. 
 

WR: C-. DeSean is a health mystery, Alshon won’t be ready and may not be welcome, and the rest is unproven. If Reagor hits and Goodwin rebounds, it could work. For now, this is a massive question mark. 
 

TE: A. Solid A here with Ertz and Goedert. 
 

OL: B. Kelce and Johnson are studs, though Kelce is older. Would be B+ or A- if Brooks were healthy. Dillard and Pryor are both unknowns. 

16 hours ago, vikas83 said:

QB: B. Wentz has elite potential but needs to sustain it for a full season, including the postseason. I am skeptical of Sudfeld, and Hurts is intriguing but an unknown. Wentz is an A-, the other guys drag it down. 
 

RB: B-. Similar to QB, the number one guy is a potential stud. However, need to see Sanders do it as the #1 guy for an entire season. Scott flashed, but so did Bryce Brown once upon a time. Lack if depth is concerning, but RBs are a dime a dozen. 
 

WR: C-. DeSean is a health mystery, Alshon won’t be ready and may not be welcome, and the rest is unproven. If Reagor hits and Goodwin rebounds, it could work. For now, this is a massive question mark. 
 

TE: A. Solid A here with Ertz and Goedert. 
 

OL: B. Kelce and Johnson are studs, though Kelce is older. Would be B+ or A- if Brooks were healthy. Dillard and Pryor are both unknowns. 

DJax's health is more than a mystery.  If he can contribute here and there for a few games, that is a blessing already.  The bulk of the loads have to be shared by other WRs.  Reagor being the 1st pick, he would be under the microscope to perform, and every reason to think he would.  Goodwin in a limited role, should be able to contribute as the speedy WR.  Perhaps more than DJax.  Jeffrey is somewhat unsure.  He was written off at the end of last season.  But then, the FO for some reasons, talked about keeping him and wanted him to get healthy.  Whether this is to "polish" the goods and gets a better price to move him, or they are real about playing him.  When healthy, he has the skills to contribute.

On 7/1/2020 at 11:09 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Losing a pro Bowl calibre player only moves it down to an A-? I think that's generous bud. I mean I think Pryor could be a good starter but it's still going to be quite a big drop off from Brooks.

I wouldn't even say pro bowl caliber. I'd say 1st team all pro caliber. Brooks is the best or 2nd best Guard in the NFL with Yanda retiring. It is between him and Zack Martin. I don't think we have anyone on the roster than can do half of what Brooks did.

OL is definitely a B for now considering we only have two studs and one solid player. LT and RG are question marks.

On 7/2/2020 at 7:14 PM, 4for4EaglesNest said:

QB- B 

RB- C+

WR-D

TE- A

OLine- B-

 

Coaching- C+
 

You guys are stoned homers.   

I'd grade WR incomplete. Do we even know for sure who'll be starting week 1? RB probably B due in part to lack of depth. Also RB is dependent on OLine.

On 6/30/2020 at 1:55 PM, Utebird said:

 Ill say TE is an A- would be A+ if Ertz could block😒

 

That's an old narrative. Ertz can block. He's seriously improved that area of his game in the past few years.

11 minutes ago, thepaintedman said:

That's an old narrative. Ertz can block. He's seriously improved that area of his game in the past few years.

Yeah he went from atrocious to slightly horrible😒

Ill give him credit for effort but hes just not a very physical blocker in the run game, as most TEs in todays game arent.

 

On 7/11/2020 at 8:36 PM, Utebird said:

Yeah he went from atrocious to slightly horrible😒

Ill give him credit for effort but hes just not a very physical blocker in the run game, as most TEs in todays game arent.

 

He's an average blocker for an NFL TE. I get that we've been lucky to have Celek for years and now Goedert. That's not typical in the modern NFL.

On 6/30/2020 at 7:30 AM, ManchesterEagle said:

I'll set up another thread for the D shortly.

QB - B +  Wentz is a top 10 QB with top 5 upside. He showed a lot at the end of last year with next to nothing at wide receiver. He still doesn't always play to his massive potential and health is still a question mark, but hopefully an improved supporting cast will help in 2020. There are big question marks over the back-up. Sudfeld hasn't shown anything yet and it's unlikely Hurts will be ready to be the number 2 at the start of next season.

RB - B  Sanders is a great multi-purpose back and hopefully will develop. The depth is pretty poor though. Scott showed flashes last year, but the Eagles really missed opportunities to upgrade the position in the draft/free agency. Hopefully Clement can somehow recapture that 2017 form.

WR - C  I know a lot of people will grade this lower and there are huge question marks, but there is a fair amount of potential and talent in this group. Jackson and Jeffery have both shown they are legitimate starters still, although age/injuries are catching up to them. Ward looked pretty good last year and had chemistry with Wentz. JJAW may well surprise people. We invested a lot in a WR heavy draft and the hope is at least Reagor can meaningfully contribute in 2020. I'm not sold on Goodwin, but he is at least another option. Could actually be a position of strength or a car crash next year. But I think the position has a lot more talent than some of the other areas (As you will see from my grades on D)

TE - A + We have the best TE situation in the league. Ertz is a top 3 TE and Goedert is a top 10 TE already with potential to be top 3 as well. There are question marks over TE3, but not enough to bring the grade down.

OL - B   I'm factoring in the Brooks injury. If he wasn't hurt, the line would be A/A-. Johnson and Kelce are both studs. Isaac S is a solid left guard. Dillard was fine at LT last year and as a first rounder who has reportedly been adding needed muscle, there are reasons to be optimistic here. The Brooks injury along with depth questions keep this from going higher than a B. Still intrigued by Mailata if he can sort out his injury issues.

 

 

Mailata out in space trying to block NBA type small forwards is a mismatch.  Having never played at any level it is asking for major trouble with Wentz's health.  I would never play him there.  I've said from day one they should try him at RG.  He would physically blow away DTs.  All are much smaller and he would be protected inside in a confined space.  

QB- B the Eagles have a franchise quarterback; however, Wentz quarterback has failed to finish the season three years in a row now. The Eagles have two question marks at the position behind him and that is a serious concern. 
RB- B+ Overall Sanders looks like he has the potential to become one of the best multipurpose backs in the league, but like the Eagles quarterback situation their running back situation is murky behind the starter as well. Scott was a key addition to the offense last season and helped them down the stretch. Clement has yet to regain his SB brilliance. There is a lack of depth at this position. 
WR- C- So many questions here. Will Jackson and or Jeffery even be on the team by the start of the season? When will Jeffery actually be able to play? Can any of these rookies step up and be able to provide any assistance to the offense this season. Was Ward a late season fluke? Can they get anything out of JJAW season two? Even if they play can Jackson and Jeffery stay healthy? Far too many questions right now with this group. 
TE- A It’s the deepest position on the roster and that’s a good thing, because Wentz loves throwing the ball to the TE position. Provided they stay healthy Ertz, and Goedert both could have great seasons. 
OL- B- Losing Brooks and replacing him with Pryor or Peters is a downgrade. Seumalo is still a sporadic player and Dillard is basically a rookie starting. How does he handle the heat if he’s getting beat out there knowing "the Bodyguard” is just over there waiting to take his spot? I think the Eagles need to allow Dillard To go through the growing pains, but let’s be honest here. The Eagles have a line with three shaky player in it. Seumalo went from the worst guy on the line to arguably its third best player. 
Coaching- B I give them a B off Doug alone, because he finds ways to motivate his players and is willing to adapt, but I have a lot of doubts about this new coaching system and how it will work. We will see if all the cooks in the kitchen and all the voices help or hurt this offense provided people can actually stay healthy this time, and considering what happened to Brooks we are not off to a good start in that department.

On 7/11/2020 at 8:36 PM, Utebird said:

Yeah he went from atrocious to slightly horrible😒

Ill give him credit for effort but hes just not a very physical blocker in the run game, as most TEs in todays game arent.

 

Ertz isn’t much of a physical player at all. It’s not part of his game. I think he’s a tough guy for sure, but he’s no a physical presence as he’s often brought down by the first contact he receives.

13 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Ertz isn’t much of a physical player at all. It’s not part of his game. I think he’s a tough guy for sure, but he’s no a physical presence as he’s often brought down by the first contact he receives.

Yeah that's very true, which for a TE of his size is somewhat of a surprise.