July 4, 20205 yr I saw Angela Davis speak several years ago and she did say "I'm a communist" in her talk. I'm not denying that some of these people exist.
July 4, 20205 yr The movement is separate from the organization, it's unfortunate the organization gets to capitalize on the movement but it is what it is. I would bet most people currently protesting aren't involved with the BLM organization at all, they are all part of the movement. The organization didn't come up with that phrase, they just monetized it. I saw a friend on Facebook post a long thing about how the BLM organization donates a ton of money to democratic candidates, I haven't looked into it but I need to because he's a loony conservative that behaves much like the loony liberals. Cherry picking every quote and stat in the world to make trump the greatest ever
July 4, 20205 yr 20 hours ago, Swimm said: Social media and all these corporate stooges are hell bent on shoving this garbage down our throat. I support free speech which is why I don't support this far left Marxist garbage. Sorry about your epic fail in Freedom 101. If you are for free speech, you are for BLM speech. You cannot says I am for free speech - except that kind.
July 4, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, devpool said: I saw a friend on Facebook post a long thing about how the BLM organization donates a ton of money to democratic candidates, I haven't looked into it but I need to because he's a loony conservative that behaves much like the loony liberals. Cherry picking every quote and stat in the world to make trump the greatest ever Quote Donations to Black Lives Matter Group Don’t Go to DNC Quick Take Social media posts falsely claim donations made on the Black Lives Matter website go "directly” to the Democratic Party, because the group uses ActBlue Charities — an online fundraising platform. Donations go to the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. The funds first pass through a nonprofit that sponsors the group. Full Story As the Black Lives Matter movement captures national attention, websites and social media posts are spreading a false claim about donations made to a leading Black Lives Matter organization. An Instagram page for the website WokeHub.com claimed, for example, that "donations made to Black Lives Matter website go directly to the DNC” and that BlackLivesMatter.com "appears to be an international money laundering program used by the Democratic National Committee.” A similar claim appeared on the conspiracy theory website InfoWars.com. Conservative personality Candace Owens also put the claim before her more than 1 million followers on Instagram, where she claimed "BLACK LIVES MATTER FUNDING GOES DIRECTLY TO WHITE DEMOCRATS AND THEIR VARIOUS INITIATIVES TO GET DEMOCRATS INTO OFFICE.” But the claims — perhaps worsened by public confusion over the structure of the organization, which we’ll explain later — are based on a distortion of facts regarding the nonprofit ActBlue, which provides fundraising infrastructure to Democratic campaigns and progressive organizations. ActBlue and BlackLivesMatter.com There are a number of groups that use the phrase "Black Lives Matter” in their name. There is a "Black Lives Matter Foundation,” for example, whose president confirmed to us that it is not related to the organization behind BlackLivesMatter.com — which is at the center of the viral claims. BlackLivesMatter.com is operated by an umbrella Black Lives Matter organization called the Black Lives Matter Global Network. The effort started in 2013 following the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the killing of Trayvon Martin. To collect donations, the website uses ActBlue Charities, a 501(c)(3) organization that specifically makes the platform available to charitable organizations. Owens’ Instagram post features a video showing that BlackLivesMatter.com uses ActBlue for its donations. It then shows an OpenSecrets.org breakdown of expenditures by ActBlue made in the 2020 cycle; the top recipients are the presidential campaigns of Sen. Bernie Sanders, former Vice President Joe Biden, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren. But the video misrepresents how ActBlue works. ActBlue isn’t itself donating money. It’s just the online platform that campaigns and groups use to solicit and collect donations. Campaign finance experts told us that it’s false to say that donations to the Black Lives Matter group are going to the Democratic National Committee, or to Democratic presidential campaigns, simply because the website uses ActBlue. "ActBlue lets candidates and liberal nonprofit organizations set up their separate accounts,” Michael Malbin, director of the nonpartisan Campaign Finance Institute, told us in a phone interview. "There’s no crossing from one account to another. If you give the money to Sanders, it does not go to Biden.” Malbin — a professor of political science at the University at Albany, State University of New York — said candidates and organizations use ActBlue "for the ease of transactions.” "ActBlue has no discretion over” where to direct individuals’ contributions, he said. The money "you see coming through ActBlue is coming through it, not from it.” A similar platform used for Republican fundraising efforts, WinRed, launched in 2019. "When you donate on an ActBlue or ActBlue Charities page, the donation is earmarked for the group listed on the form,” Caleb Cade, a spokesperson for ActBlue, told us in an email. "We pass along the contribution directly to the receiving campaign or entity. We do not choose the recipient of the contribution, the donor does.” In a statement to FactCheck.org, the Black Lives Matter Global Network’s managing director, Kailee Scales, said that the claims about the money being routed to Democrats are part of "an organized disinformation campaign against BLM, from actors clearly trying to blunt the growing support for this movement.” "All contributions to the DNC are publicly reported to the FEC and review of FEC reports will confirm there has never been any donation from this organization,” she said. The Operations of the Black Lives Matter Global Network The claims seem to have flourished amid confusion over the structure of the Black Lives Matter Global Network, which is incorporated in Delaware. The ActBlue donations page on the website specifically says that the money given will "benefit Black Lives Matter Global Network.” Technically, the network also has structured a foundation — the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation — which is "fiscally sponsored” by a global nonprofit called Thousand Currents, according to Jenesha de Rivera, director of finance and administration at Thousand Currents. The partnership between the network and the nonprofit (formerly the International Development Exchange) was announced in 2016. The nonprofit organization said it would provide "fiduciary oversight, financial management, and other administrative services to BLM.” Cade, the ActBlue spokesperson, confirmed that the donations made through ActBlue go to Thousand Currents for Black Lives Matter. Fiscal sponsorships are common. "Using a fiscal sponsorship arrangement offers a way for a cause to attract donors even when it is not yet recognized as tax-exempt under Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3),” according to the National Council on Nonprofits. "In essence the fiscal sponsor serves as the administrative ‘home’ of the cause. Charitable contributions are given to the fiscal sponsor, which then grants them to support the cause.” Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation "is an organization within Thousand Currents,” de Rivera said in a phone interview, "so it can accomplish its charitable purpose prior to receiving its approval from the IRS for its own 501(c)(3).” De Rivera said the foundation has applied to become its own 501(c)(3). We asked the Black Lives Matter group for a copy of its Form 1023, which is used to apply for that designation, but didn’t hear back. An IRS spokesperson said copies are only publicly available if the organization is approved for 501(c)(3) status. On the claims that money is being given to Democratic campaigns, de Rivera said that Thousand Currents’ own 501(c)(3) status would be "in jeopardy” if charitable donations made through the organization were rerouted to political campaigns. According to the IRS, "all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity.” A Thousand Currents audit for 2019 shows that, as of June 2019, the organization held nearly $3.4 million in net assets for Black Lives Matter. It had released nearly $1.8 million to the group in the last fiscal year. The audit also provides a breakdown of how the foundation (referred to as the "fiscal project” under a statement of functional expenses, according to de Rivera) spent that $1.8 million in buckets — including on consultants and salaries. Speaking generally about the issue of fiscal sponsorships, Benjamin Leff, a law professor at American University who specializes in the regulation of nonprofits, told us by phone that "the sponsoring organization is responsible” for ensuring "that the sponsored organization spends the money in a way that is consistent with the law.” He said the sponsored organization does not have to file its own Forms 990. And, Leff said in an email, because ActBlue Charities is also a 501(c)(3), it is his "understanding … that both ActBlue Charities and Thousand Currents have a legal obligation to make reasonable efforts to ensure that the funds they receive are spent consistent with 501(c)(3) restrictions.” On June 11, the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation said in a press release that, thanks to donations, it would make $6.5 million available through grants that will be available to "all chapters affiliated” with it. Editor’s note: FactCheck.org is one of several organizations working with Facebook to debunk misinformation shared on social media. Our previous stories can be found here. Sources "ActBlue Expenditures.” OpenSecrets.gov. Accessed 11 Jun 2020. Cade, Caleb. Spokesperson, ActBlue. Email to FactCheck.org. 11 Jun 2020. De Rivera, Jenesha. Director of finance and administration, Thousand Currents. Phone interview with FactCheck.org. 12 Jun 2020. "Fiscal Sponsorship for Nonprofits.” National Council of Nonprofits. Accessed 11 Jun 2020. "IDEX and Black Lives Matter announce global partnership.” Thousand Currents. 6 Sep 2016. Leff, Benjamin. Law professor, American University. Phone interview with FactCheck.org. 12 Jun 2020. Malbin, Michael. Director, Campaign Finance Institute. Phone interview with FactCheck.org. 11 Jun 2020. Pappas, Alex. "WinRed, new GOP donor platform, reaps impeachment windfall, rakes in millions since probe launch.” Fox News. 1 Oct 2019. Persily, Nathaniel. Law professor, Stanford University. Email to FactCheck.org. 11 Jun 2020. "The Restriction of Political Campaign Intervention by Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Organizations.” IRS. Accessed 12 Jun 2020. "Thousand Currents and Subsidiary Consolidated Financial Statements.” Squar Milner. 30 Jun 2019. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/donations-to-black-lives-matter-group-dont-go-to-dnc/
July 4, 20205 yr 16 hours ago, binkybink77 said: BLM has become a cult - no better than Scientology We have a daughter who would have marched with BLM if we hadn't convinced her not to go over safety concerns. She's not a Marxist, Communist, or cultist. She just genuinely empathizes with the police brutality and racism messaging of BLM and wanted to do... something. It can be that simple for people. They're not all crazy.
July 4, 20205 yr 59 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: So... how's it being spent? 16 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: We have a daughter who would have marched with BLM if we hadn't convinced her not to go over safety concerns. She's not a Marxist, Communist, or cultist. She just genuinely empathizes with the police brutality and racism messaging of BLM and wanted to do... something. It can be that simple for people. They're not all crazy. But that doesn't include brainwashed...
July 4, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: We have a daughter who would have marched with BLM if we hadn't convinced her not to go over safety concerns. She's not a Marxist, Communist, or cultist. She just genuinely empathizes with the police brutality and racism messaging of BLM and wanted to do... something. It can be that simple for people. They're not all crazy. I don’t think they are all crazy.. there are a lot of genuine people who just want to speak out against racism and police brutality and I fully support that and the right to protest. But the financially backed and organized effort that is driving the narrative are self identified Marxists that have a far left, and radical agenda that will use extreme measures against those who speak out against them.
July 4, 20205 yr 35 minutes ago, binkybink77 said: I don’t think they are all crazy.. there are a lot of genuine people who just want to speak out against racism and police brutality and I fully support that and the right to protest. But the financially backed and organized effort that is driving the narrative are self identified Marxists that have a far left, and radical agenda that will use extreme measures against those who speak out against them. BINGO!
July 4, 20205 yr Author 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: Sorry about your epic fail in Freedom 101. If you are for free speech, you are for BLM speech. You cannot says I am for free speech - except that kind. Nothing in my OP denied them the right to assembly. So take a hike, shortpants.
July 4, 20205 yr 56 minutes ago, Swimm said: Nothing in my OP denied them the right to assembly. So take a hike, shortpants. Ooh, nice switch to right of assembly, something we were not talking about. If you support free speech, you support leftist drivel, rightist drivel and every other sort of drivel. Otherwise you are full of ish.
July 4, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, Quiet Boy said: Yeah, not "directly". ActBlue is a DNC slush fund. To be quite honest, why does it even matter? The only way to really change things is to elect people who promote your causes, and Republicans certainly aren't going to do anything in the way of social justice reform.
July 4, 20205 yr Yeah why does it matter when Floyd was murdered in the Republican wasteland of Minneapolis Need those dollah dollah bills so the Democrats can fix it. They’re serious this time!
July 4, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: To be quite honest, why does it even matter? The only way to really change things is to elect people who promote your causes, and Republicans certainly aren't going to do anything in the way of social justice reform. And the dems will huh? Look at dem run cities. Run by dems for 50 plus years by people just like biden. People just see what they want to see i guess
July 4, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, SNOORDA said: And the dems will huh? Look at dem run cities. Run by dems for 50 plus years by people just like biden. This is a pretty lazy argument. I didn't say that they've done the most commendable job, but they least acknowledge the issues at hand and have certainly done more for them than any Republican administration has in the last 70 years. The Democratic party is becoming more diverse, and you have to go back to Eisenhower to find a Republican president who gave two sh**s about civil rights.
July 4, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, binkybink77 said: I don’t think they are all crazy.. there are a lot of genuine people who just want to speak out against racism and police brutality and I fully support that and the right to protest. But the financially backed and organized effort that is driving the narrative are self identified Marxists that have a far left, and radical agenda that will use extreme measures against those who speak out against them. Also known as "useful idiots."
July 4, 20205 yr Author 31 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Ooh, nice switch to right of assembly, something we were not talking about. If you support free speech, you support leftist drivel, rightist drivel and every other sort of drivel. Otherwise you are full of ish. I'm not denying their free speech. WTF are you babbling about?
July 4, 20205 yr It’s all just one big scam - BLM was foaming at the mouth to exploit this atrocity to push their agenda and raise that cash. This is why examining the claims they are making matters. Is there racism in this country and do minorities have to deal with things that white people don’t? Absolutely. It should remain an ongoing conversation. We should all be appalled that any citizen would be treated that way by those sworn to protect and serve with our tax dollars. But are black people being targeted and murdered by the state thus requiring the destruction of cities all over the country building outrage to a feverish pitch while there are now serious discussions about removing monuments of our wicked founders, neutering our police departments in high crime areas, forcing white people to both speak out and stfu in order to make amends for our white privilege? "America has a racism problem” - you know what humanity does. We can be better and should strive for it but frankly I’m a little fed up by this radical BS and I can guarantee I’m not the only one.
July 4, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: This is a pretty lazy argument. I didn't say that they've done the most commendable job, but they least acknowledged the issues at hand and have certainly done more for them than any Republican administration has in the last 70 years. The Democratic party is becoming more diverse, and you have to go back to Eisenhower to find a Republican president who gave two sh**s about civil rights. No it is not. It’s just an easy argument that cannot be contested
July 4, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, SNOORDA said: No it is not. It’s just an easy argument that cannot be contested I could easily contest it, but I don't feel like wasting my time going down that rabbit hole today.
July 4, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I could easily contest it, but I don't feel like wasting my time going down that rabbit hole today. Me either. We can agree there. We can probably also agree that every penny that goes to the election campaign of joe biden (directly or indirectly via blm) could be far better spent giving directly to community members in need.
July 4, 20205 yr On 7/3/2020 at 9:53 AM, Swimm said: Social media and all these corporate stooges are hell bent on shoving this garbage down our throat. I support free speech which is why I don't support this far left Marxist garbage.
July 4, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I could easily contest it, but I don't feel like wasting my time going down that rabbit hole today. How can you contest that the Dems have done a horrific job running the major cities? You're right it's a hole - but not one a rabbit made - but one commonly done by latrine diggers.
July 4, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: How can you contest that the Dems have done a horrific job running the major cities? You're right it's a hole - but not one a rabbit made - but one commonly done by latrine diggers. I could start with the median income, GDP, and industrial diversity of so-called "blue cities" vs. "red cities." I could then show you relative welfare statistics for the people living in those cities. I could also show you the level of education funding, graduation rates, and school population diversity for those cities. I could then get on a policy level and show you the kinds of social programs and publicly funded infrastructure development supported by Democratic administrations vs. Republican attempts to stymie or otherwise defund them. But, again, not going down the rabbit hole, Alice. It's all relative. I never said Democrats have done the greatest job, but they've at least attempted to do the job. Republicans don't do jack sh**t but b**ch about taxes, strangle public revenue, undermine institutional efficacy, and then after they've choked off public resources, point the finger at Democrats left holding the bag after once the GOP siphons all the funding to their white-collar cronies through regressive taxation and corporate subsidies. Democrats need to a better job, but Republicans are unscrupulous, utter failures of public servants.
July 4, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: So claiming to be a Marxist is exactly like being accused of being a communist is the same. Got it
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