Johnson and Siriani trying to get Hurts killed...

[Ross]

This is insanity.

When the Eagles took a 16-0 lead (2:39 left in the 1st):
8 running back runs (Gainwell 8 )
2 Hurts Runs
7 pass attempts / sacks

rest of game:
8 running back runs (Gainwell 6, Scott 1, Swift 1)
6 Hurts runs (not counting the kneel down)
29 pass attempts / sacks

[judunno]

3 minutes ago, Ross said:

This is insanity.

When the Eagles took a 16-0 lead (2:39 left in the 1st):
8 running back runs (Gainwell 8 )
2 Hurts Runs
7 pass attempts / sacks

rest of game:
8 running back runs (Gainwell 6, Scott 1, Swift 1)
6 Hurts runs (not counting the kneel down)
29 pass attempts / sacks

To be fair... if Hurts wasn't missing his reads left and right he likely doesn't get so many runs.

[Ross]

To go from a semblance of a decent run / pass ratio (8 running back runs out of 17 plays) to 8 out of 43 for the rest of the game is ridiculous.

Coaches need to start calling plays where he just hands it off. Take the decision out of his hands if he's not making good decisions.

[judunno]

3 minutes ago, Ross said:

To go from a semblance of a decent run / pass ratio (8 running back runs out of 17 plays) to 8 out of 43 for the rest of the game is ridiculous.

Coaches need to start calling plays where he just hands it off. Take the decision out of his hands if he's not making good decisions.

That's where the weakness in NEs defense was. WRs/TEs were running around open all game. NEs strength is against the run. However, I do agree with balance. But the RB that I would use in this game wasn't even dressed.

[NOTW]

Swift and Scott had 1 only carry each the whole game.  In that early intense rain they should have been using the running back committee heavily, especially when they had the lead.  Hurts had 9 carries, they should have been feeding the RBs. 

We were also told Swift would be a part of the receiving game out of the backfield.  He had 1 catch (Gainwell did have 4).

This was a game to pound the rock and have Hurts hit his receivers and not run.  Zero TE catches, Goedert was mostly ignored.  Feeding TEs and short passes to the receivers is another good tactic in the rain and with a lead.

That drive where they had a penalty that put them at 1st and 20 was insane:  3 bombs then punt instead of trying to gain positive yardage to get a 3rd and short where you have more play calling options.

[judunno]

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Swift and Scott had 1 only carry each the whole game.  In that early intense rain they should have been using the running back committee heavily, especially when they had the lead.  Hurts had 9 carries, they should have been feeding the RBs. 

We were also told Swift would be a part of the receiving game out of the backfield.  He had 1 catch (Gainwell did have 4).

This was a game to pound the rock and have Hurts hit his receivers and not run.  Zero TE catches, Goedert was mostly ignored.  Feeding TEs and short passes to the receivers is another good tactic in the rain and with a lead.

That drive where they had a penalty that put them at 1st and 20 was insane:  3 bombs then punt instead of trying to gain positive yardage to get a 3rd and short where you have more play calling options.

Hurts to me wasn't comfortable all game and seemed sped up. Likely due to lack of pre-season reps which I guess should be expected. You could tell that he was trying his best not to make any egregious mistakes and played it conservative in the wet weather. There were definitely opportunities that he didn't take advantage of that could have made the go a bit easier. Things will slow down for him again in the next few games and he'll be hitting those missed opportunities. Seems like the coaches wanted him to play through it instead of running into the teeth of the NE defense with the RBs. Maybe good for coaching tape since we got the W. 

[EagleVA]

3 hours ago, Ross said:

Coaches need to start calling plays where he just hands it off. 

Hand it off to who, Gainwell, Penny, Swift?  None of those guys has what it take to carry a running game.  The dumb sheets need to draft RBs.....PERIOD!! 

And while they're at it, draft some LBs also, forget about that silliness of not valuing certain positions, I've never heard of such foolishness.

[pgcd3]

I don't want Hurts to take unnecessary hits and agree with many of the points here but I'll also note Hurts is 6'1 and over 220.  It's football.  He's not going to get killed if he runs and gets tackled. 

[EazyEaglez]

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

Swift and Scott had 1 only carry each the whole game.  In that early intense rain they should have been using the running back committee heavily, especially when they had the lead.  Hurts had 9 carries, they should have been feeding the RBs. 

We were also told Swift would be a part of the receiving game out of the backfield.  He had 1 catch (Gainwell did have 4).

This was a game to pound the rock and have Hurts hit his receivers and not run.  Zero TE catches, Goedert was mostly ignored.  Feeding TEs and short passes to the receivers is another good tactic in the rain and with a lead.

That drive where they had a penalty that put them at 1st and 20 was insane:  3 bombs then punt instead of trying to gain positive yardage to get a 3rd and short where you have more play calling options.

How much was this the offense (coaches and players alike) being frustrated by what the Patriots were doing to them and how much of it was just Hurts being rusty and having a bad game? I’m sure those wide receivers (especially Brown) were doing a lot of talking about how they weren’t getting the ball. Sorry, but I don’t see how Gainwell leads this team in touches if they expect to be a SB caliber team. Gainwell touches over Goedert??? Just all looked so out of sync. 

[Cochis_Calhoun]

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't want Hurts to take unnecessary hits and agree with many of the points here but I'll also note Hurts is 6'1 and over 220.  It's football.  He's not going to get killed if he runs and gets tackled. 

Also, to put it bluntly, the reason he got the big extension is because he was about as good a dual threat QB as you'll find last year, turning him into a pocket passer who occasionally runs would suggest you should probably have just saved the money and drafted a different guy.

[Ross]

17 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Also, to put it bluntly, the reason he got the big extension is because he was about as good a dual threat QB as you'll find last year, turning him into a pocket passer who occasionally runs would suggest you should probably have just saved the money and drafted a different guy.

 8 running back runs out of 17 plays in the first 13 minutes...

8 running back runs out of 43 plays for the rest of the game.

To go from that first stat line to the second is stupid, even if the line is stacked.

If the QB is going to run some, that's whats he's paid to do... but geez... cut out some of the passes and give the ball to the RBs more with a 16 point lead in crappy conditions.

[EazyEaglez]

26 minutes ago, Ross said:

 8 running back runs out of 17 plays in the first 13 minutes...

8 running back runs out of 43 plays for the rest of the game.

To go from that first stat line to the second is stupid, even if the line is stacked.

If the QB is going to run some, that's whats he's paid to do... but geez... cut out some of the passes and give the ball to the RBs more with a 16 point lead in crappy conditions.

The Patriots basically after the first drive shut down Gainwell and the run. They pretty much shut down runs with Hurts as well. They were able to show mixed looks to the offense and that threw the Eagles off balance. Hurts had to take longer to process what the Pats did which caused a lot more pressure on him, because the line was struggling with pass blocking. The Eagles stopped running the ball, because Gainwell, is not a featured back, but also the Eagles offensive line had a really bad game pass blocking and run blocking. Everything is fixable unless Lane and Kelce are too old and don’t have it anymore. 

[MF POON]

I'd like to see more handoffs to the RBC too, cos that last hit Hurts took on the fumble scared me.  I know he's going to get his runs/carries, but you got some talented guys back there, hand it off or pass it to them ffs lol.

[eagle45]

Nothing made sense from that game.  If the same problems surface on Thursday, then I'll worry.

[Boogyman]

Week 1, no preseason reps, new coaches, and bad weather. If Thursdays game is as rough looking, I'll probably start to worry. 

[BornGreen]

Remember last year when Hurts came out slinging the ball we were all like "holy crap, he figured it out!” This first game this year I said " damn it, he has reverted back to 2022”.  He looked scared to throw the ball, missing his targets, didn’t go through his reads effectively… it was disappointing. 

[Traveler Vic]

On 9/11/2023 at 9:57 AM, judunno said:

That's where the weakness in NEs defense was. WRs/TEs were running around open all game. NEs strength is against the run. However, I do agree with balance. But the RB that I would use in this game wasn't even dressed.

I was pissed how Goddart was open twice for 20+ yards, but...? either the call? or favoritism?.. Hurts through an incompletion to Smith. On one play..Goddert is wide open with no one around him, and Smith is double covered. I am sure this play will be reviewed in the study room.

[Traveler Vic]

1 hour ago, BornGreen said:

Remember last year when Hurts came out slinging the ball we were all like "holy crap, he figured it out!” This first game this year I said " damn it, he has reverted back to 2022”.  He looked scared to throw the ball, missing his targets, didn’t go through his reads effectively… it was disappointing. 

Belichick defensive plan was a masterpiece. Even Romo has never seen some of the coverages. But the good news is we still won. It's all good. 

[judunno]

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

I was pissed how Goddart was open twice for 20+ yards, but...? either the call? or favoritism?.. Hurts through an incompletion to Smith. On one play..Goddert is wide open with no one around him, and Smith is double covered. I am sure this play will be reviewed in the study room.

Yeah... I'm not too worried. Get these kinks out early. Favorable matchup again in a few days. As long as they're firing on all cylinders and finishing strong I couldn't care less how they looked in a Week 1 W.

[opa-opa]

Way too many qb runs. They wont work if the other team starts expecting it all the time.

[brkmsn]

2 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Way too many qb runs. They wont work if the other team starts expecting it all the time.

Actually, they only work if the QB runs. I saw enough sliding in the Super Bowl.

[birdman#12]

With your backup being marcus mariota, I would think they'd would want Hurts to take the fewest hits possible.  Hurts goes down and the eagles season is in jeopardy.  

They have 4 very capable backs with different skill sets.....no reason to have Hurts carry the ball more than a couple time a game outside of scrambles.....

[judunno]

3 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

With your backup being marcus mariota, I would think they'd would want Hurts to take the fewest hits possible.  Hurts goes down and the eagles season is in jeopardy.  

They have 4 very capable backs with different skill sets.....no reason to have Hurts carry the ball more than a couple time a game outside of scrambles.....

You can't take away the biggest part of his game and the threat. He just needs to learn to get down. Especially early in the season. Playoffs or big regular seasons towards the end where he needs to will the team to a win sure go balls out (pause). But in the early half of the season... nah get down and live another day.

[birdman#12]

41 minutes ago, judunno said:

You can't take away the biggest part of his game and the threat. He just needs to learn to get down. Especially early in the season. Playoffs or big regular seasons towards the end where he needs to will the team to a win sure go balls out (pause). But in the early half of the season... nah get down and live another day.

Well, you have to balance that threat with the threat of an injury that causes them to go with mariota.  I agree that he should slide or get out of bounds when he can, but last year he got hurt when he got hit from behind......you can't eliminate all hits.  

But when they're up 16-0 in the rain, the RBs and the offensive line are capable of grinding out a game.  And the threat of Hurts running could be enough to keep a defense off balance.

Look, We all know he's going to run the ball, I'm just saying that he doesn't need to run the ball nearly as much as call it....

[Mike030270]

On 9/11/2023 at 3:59 PM, pgcd3 said:

I don't want Hurts to take unnecessary hits and agree with many of the points here but I'll also note Hurts is 6'1 and over 220.  It's football.  He's not going to get killed if he runs and gets tackled. 

True but we have way too many weapons for him to hand the ball off or throw it than run it so much