November 26, 20231 yr Author 18 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said: I read most of it and I saw that as well. The sourcing issue is bothersome though. It's pretty important to know who Gazan Health Officials are. Sure though I think I've seen enough accounts in various places to know the count is high. How high is the question.
November 26, 20231 yr There’s different ways to look at the number of civilian casualties. First off, you have to take any immediate numbers of casualties with a grain of salt. Turkey is much more developed than Gaza, yet the number of casualties from their earthquakes months ago are still being corrected. It’s impossible for an area with a small amount of governmental infrastructure to know exactly how many civilian casualties there are, let alone that quickly. Then you have to take into account that the numbers are coming from Hamas, which is a known terrorist faction. The motive is clearly there to overstate as many civilian casualties as possible as propaganda. For people to blindly assume those numbers as correct without even being able to manually create the thought that the numbers would be influenced by propaganda clearly show that the people doing so are entrenched in their ideas and severely lack any moderate abilities for critical thinking or rational thought. Thirdly, you have to look at where the valid military targets are, and clearly Hamas is using civilians as shields. You don’t even need to postulate this as a potential as Hamas has openly admitted that they are doing so. So if there are valid military targets layered within civilians, of course there will be collateral damage. Lastly, the type of targets being hit are tunnels. You can’t drop your usual off the rack bomb and expect it to take out an underground tunnel. You need to use penetrating weapons. They’re going to drive into the ground and detonate. This is going to cause destruction at the surface. I can’t imagine that there is a building code in Gaza city so I’d imagine the buildings are poorly made. Now, why are they dropping bombs instead of going in on foot and clearing them out manually? Well, that’s going to take a long time and cause a lot of IDF casualties. If you are a commander, your job is to complete your objectives and it’s understood that there will be sacrifices that will be made, with those sacrifices being some of the lives of those you lead. That said, the job of a commander is to accomplish those objectives in the best way possible. Knowing personally how dangerous and time consuming cqb fighting is, if an objective can be cleared with indirect weapons, then indirect weapons will be used, as the task can be accomplished with minimal risk to your own troops. Running the Gaza Strip should be easy. Use UN funds to build infrastructure, including schools and local police forces. Clean it up, and use your beaches to becoming a tourist destination. But no, the Hamas leadership needed to buy themselves nice cars and vacation in Qatar. the Palestinians would be better off living under the Israelis. At least then they’d have access to better medical care and schooling.
November 26, 20231 yr 55 minutes ago, Bill said: the Palestinians would be better off living under the Israelis. At least then they’d have access to better medical care and schooling. Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario?
November 26, 20231 yr Author On 11/25/2023 at 4:01 AM, Tnt4philly said: Has someone actually proclaimed their support for Hamas, or is their criticism of Israel being misinterpreted? No but someone has refused to denounce them or name them as terrorists despite being asked to do so on multiple occasions. A wild guess is that that poster is at least neutral toward Hamoss.
November 26, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario? That will never happen in any scenario and we all know why.
November 26, 20231 yr 34 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario? The Palestinian Authority Basic Law provides for an elected president and legislative council. There have been no elections in the West Bank and Gaza Strip for Palestinian Authority offices since 2006, and Palestinians there do not have the right to vote in Israeli elections. Now research why there have not been elections.
November 26, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Next_Up said: The Palestinian Authority Basic Law provides for an elected president and legislative council. There have been no elections in the West Bank and Gaza Strip for Palestinian Authority offices since 2006, and Palestinians there do not have the right to vote in Israeli elections. Now research why there have not been elections. You must have misunderstood Bill’s post
November 26, 20231 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: You must have misunderstood Bill’s post No, I was responding to you question: "Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario?" They have political rights, they are not part of Isreal and it is the Palestinian leaders that deprive the Palestinian population the opportunity to elect their leaders.
November 26, 20231 yr Just now, Next_Up said: No, I was responding to you question: "Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario?" They have political rights, they are not part of Isreal and it is the Palestinian leaders that deprive the Palestinian population the opportunity to elect their leaders. Ok, I give up.
November 26, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario? Who cares about politics? how about rights like life? Like not being shot by hamas or being used as a human shield by them.
November 26, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario? Ask the Arabs living in Israel.
November 26, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Sure though I think I've seen enough accounts in various places to know the count is high. How high is the question. I’d bet it’s 1/10th, or less, then the "reported” number.
November 26, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario? They don’t even have political right now in Palestine. Never mind that in Israel there are Arab citizens and there are Arabs in the Knesset
November 26, 20231 yr 6 minutes ago, The_Omega said: I’d bet it’s 1/10th, or less, then the "reported” number. Stop the count, amirite??
November 26, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Bill said: They don’t even have political right now in Palestine. Never mind that in Israel there are Arab citizens and there are Arabs in the Knesset Nice dodge
November 26, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Nice dodge It’s not a dodge if you have cognitive ability.
November 26, 20231 yr 34 minutes ago, Bill said: It’s not a dodge if you have cognitive ability. Well it sounds like you’re advocating for some form of apartheid to me.
November 26, 20231 yr 36 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Well it sounds like you’re advocating for some form of apartheid to me. Because you’re obtuse.
November 26, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Stop the count, amirite?? 4 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Nice dodge These two back to back is Fing ironic.
November 27, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Would the Israelis give them political rights in your scenario? Israelis are not as senseless as the US.
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