11 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

...being held by Gazan Civilians.

 

There are no innocents.

Palestinians are like the younger sibling you're forced to sit next to in the back seat. Finger one inch away "I'm not touching you" over and over until you pop them in them mouth then they scream for mommy.

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of the founder of Hamas.

In this interview he discusses the desire of Hamas to create a GLOBAL Islamic State. Thats right, they want to bring their brand of terrorism global. They will not stop until they accomplish their goals regardless of how absurd those goals are. Israel is only the beginning. He discusses a lot of topics here and his words are very important. His message is from a place of love for his people. A lot of people throughout the world could learn a lot from this man. If supporting Palestinians is your goal, listen to one who has spent his entire life fighting against the terrorist organization his father built. Hamas is the at fault party in this conflict and Gazans are suffering because of it. The Palestinian people have no leadership fighting for their needs. There is no one negotiating on their behalf in regards to land, water, health, sovereignty, education, and so on. Hamas has spent all of the peoples money on expensive villas, luxury cars, vacation homes and military tunnels. Hamas has stolen the vast majority of international aid sent to Gaza over the last 20 years. Hamas has consistently chosen war over peace and they will continue to do so until they are stopped. That is what terrorists do. I urge everyone to check out the video and give the man an ear. He has a lot to say on a subject he is much more connected to than any of us.

 

 

Wellll, wait a second 

Palestinian minister: Hamas's October 7 massacre of Israelis 'heroic'

Rajoub called the massacre "an earthquake, an unprecedented event," and portrayed the attack as a defensive action against Israeli "aggression" - including its response to Hamas's attack.  

https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775236

 

Disney World Middle East is still the most productive use of the real estate.

12 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of the founder of Hamas.

In this interview he discusses the desire of Hamas to create a GLOBAL Islamic State. Thats right, they want to bring their brand of terrorism global. They will not stop until they accomplish their goals regardless of how absurd those goals are. Israel is only the beginning. He discusses a lot of topics here and his words are very important. His message is from a place of love for his people. A lot of people throughout the world could learn a lot from this man. If supporting Palestinians is your goal, listen to one who has spent his entire life fighting against the terrorist organization his father built. Hamas is the at fault party in this conflict and Gazans are suffering because of it. The Palestinian people have no leadership fighting for their needs. There is no one negotiating on their behalf in regards to land, water, health, sovereignty, education, and so on. Hamas has spent all of the peoples money on expensive villas, luxury cars, vacation homes and military tunnels. Hamas has stolen the vast majority of international aid sent to Gaza over the last 20 years. Hamas has consistently chosen war over peace and they will continue to do so until they are stopped. That is what terrorists do. I urge everyone to check out the video and give the man an ear. He has a lot to say on a subject he is much more connected to than any of us.

 

 

The son of the founder of Hamas lives in Manhattan??  

Just now, Dave Moss said:

The son of the founder of Hamas lives in Manhattan??  

Yes. He has been working with the IDF since 1997. He moved to the states recently. He is a wanted man in Gaza. It's unfortunate because he seems to be a natural leader with a revolutionary message for his people.

 

3 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

Yes. He has been working with the IDF since 1997. He moved to the states recently. He is a wanted man in Gaza. It's unfortunate because he seems to be a natural leader with a revolutionary message for his people.

 

What makes you think he’s a natural leader?  Based on that interview??

You can’t be an advocate for Palestinians and also work with the IDF.  You have to choose one or the other to be taken seriously.

42 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

You can’t be an advocate for Palestinians and also work with the IDF.  You have to choose one or the other to be taken seriously.

That is a very interesting perspective that you hold. Of course you do realize that to end the conflict Palestinians and Israelis are going to have to work together.

 

59 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

What makes you think he’s a natural leader?  Based on that interview??

I've been checking out his story. It's pretty interesting really. It speaks volumes that he turned on Hamas because of their treatment of Palestinians. At the end of the day He has spent nearly 25 years fighting against Hamas for his people.

That is rather commendable and dare I say heroic. It also happens to be a message many in the West could learn a bit from. This situation is very complex but the best option for Gaza is not Hamas.

 

6 hours ago, EagleFan85 said:

That is a very interesting perspective that you hold. Of course you do realize that to end the conflict Palestinians and Israelis are going to have to work together.

 

Sure.  But continually taking someone’s land by military force isn’t how you make a peace deal.  Surely you’re aware of that…

13 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said:

 

 

15 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

So you are ok with the expansion of illegal settlements and taking land by force?  

no, im not. 

 

it's ok to be against all of the BS while calling out whataboutisms. it's pretty much all i do around here.  

2 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Sure.  But continually taking someone’s land by military force isn’t how you make a peace deal.  Surely you’re aware of that…

Its almost like you are just as narrative driven as the far right because I haven't heard you say one thing about the genocide of the Massalit poeple in West Darfur that happened the last few weeks or given up caring about the woman of Iran who don t want to be under the thumb of the stone age Muslim rule. 

Moved on from Ukraine and now at Palestine with your fake outrage. 

13 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Disney World Middle East is still the most productive use of the real estate.

until you have to sit next to a suicide bomber on the teacup ride

15 hours ago, EagleFan85 said:

Interesting news from Qutar. Extending this truce is going to require Hamas to locate Israeli hostages who are currently being held by Gazan Civilians.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-must-missing-israeli-hostages-102651254.html

Efforts to extend a temporary truce between Israel and Hamas depend on the Palestinian militant group locating dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza by other groups and civilians, Qatar's prime minister has said.

 

So, Gaza Civilians are holding hostages. Terrorists. 

4 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

no, im not. 

 

it's ok to be against all of the BS while calling out whataboutisms. it's pretty much all i do around here.  

Pointing out illegal settlement expansion is not a whataboutism They are a major sticking point in any peace deal going forward and is something that the Israeli Government does nothing about. 

10 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

So, Gaza Civilians are holding hostages. Terrorists. 

Shocked 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-775321

Quote

Freed Israeli hostage escaped Gaza ruins, Hamas captivity for days

Ron Krivoi's aunt revealed on Monday that Gazan civilians located Krivoi and brought him back into Hamas captivity.

 

3 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Its almost like you are just as narrative driven as the far right because I haven't heard you say one thing about the genocide of the Massalit poeple in West Darfur that happened the last few weeks or given up caring about the woman of Iran who don t want to be under the thumb of the stone age Muslim rule. 

Moved on from Ukraine and now at Palestine with your fake outrage. 

Where is alpha tater to point out this whataboutism? 

1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said:

Where is alpha tater to point out this whataboutism? 

Be patient.  There's a lot of whataboutism ground for him to cover.

15 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

So, Gaza Civilians are holding hostages. Terrorists. 

 

5 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Shocked 

8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Where is alpha tater to point out this whataboutism? 

speaking of, what about a new tampon