5 hours ago, Gannan said:

Do you think Hamas is an advocate for regular Palestinians?

Advocate?  No.  Supported by?  In large part, yes.

35 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Tl;dr

Tbh, I stopped reading when you said Gaza and the West Bank aren’t politically connected

I guess that accounts for your significant lack of knowledge about the region.  My guess is that if you actually spent some time there and learned first hand what is going on, you'd have different opinions about the conflict.

Darius (duh-RYE-us) Slay has the best name in football... if you're an Assyriologist.

5 minutes ago, Procus said:

I guess that accounts for your significant lack of knowledge about the region.  My guess is that if you actually spent some time there and learned first hand what is going on, you'd have different opinions about the conflict.

How do you think my opinion would change?

38 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

How do you think my opinion would change?

You'd come away loving shawerma and wanting a subservient wife

48 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

How do you think my opinion would change?

I think you would see the Israeli position much clearer.

24 minutes ago, Procus said:

I think you would see the Israeli position much clearer.

Maybe true, but why would that change my opinion?

32 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

You'd come away loving shawerma and wanting a subservient wife

I said how would my opinion change…

8 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said:

until you have to sit next to a suicide bomber on the teacup ride

All about perspective.

Would the suicide bomber not find victim accessibility to be productive as well?

Yikes, just yikes. I would hate to be with these people

 

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23 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Yikes, just yikes. I would hate to be with these people

 

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Third world people have third world thinking and cause third world problems.

4 hours ago, Procus said:

Advocate?  No.  Supported by?  In large part, yes.

Also Netanyahu. But no one wants to talk about that…

8 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Yikes, just yikes. I would hate to be with these people

 

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California is turning into a cesspool of crime, Fentanyl, and homeless junkies. Oakland is pretty much ground zero and has far more pressing issues to be dealing with. Their city council should be using its time to deal with these local issues effecting the people of Oakland instead of trying to determine the status of a terrorist organization. These people who are speaking at this meeting are literally drinking the Hamas propaganda like its a glass of water.

 

10 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said:

You'd come away loving shawerma and wanting a subservient wife

He IS the subservient wife…

10 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Yikes, just yikes. I would hate to be with these people

 

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I’m just glad they’re getting the verbiage right. I’ve said from the start that the Oakland City Council’s our best shot at peace in Israel. 

11 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Maybe true, but why would that change my opinion?

I said how would my opinion change…

It wont. Being closed minded and all

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

He IS the subservient wife…

I don’t go to Hanson concerts

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

It wont. Being closed minded and all

I have an open mind.  And I think a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine can be achieved.  Let’s start with Israel giving back the land they seized in the Six-Day War and go from there.

12 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I have an open mind.  And I think a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine can be achieved.  Let’s start with Israel giving back the land they seized in the Six-Day War and go from there.

ok, i'm open minded enough to hear that, but how about the palestinians do away with the river to the sea mantra first ? i mean any peace attempts are completely useless otherwise. 

15 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I have an open mind.  And I think a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine can be achieved.  Let’s start with Israel giving back the land they seized in the Six-Day War and go from there.

That would make a lot of sense, except that giving those lands back would mean giving control of all of the shipping channels that lead to Israel back to the control of Egypt. Which wouldn’t seem to bad unless you remember that Egypt already closed those channels off to Israeli ships twice which was what started the 6-day war in the first place. So in short, if Palestinians could be trusted to hold up their end of agreements that are signed with Israel, your expectation would make sense. But they’ve proven time and again throughout history that they simply have no interest in doing so. 

44 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I have an open mind.  And I think a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine can be achieved.  Let’s start with Israel giving back the land they seized in the Six-Day War and go from there.

There isn't a unified Government for Israel to negotiate with. 

46 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I have an open mind.  And I think a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine can be achieved.  Let’s start with Israel giving back the land they seized in the Six-Day War and go from there.

Nope

lets start with destroying hamas

54 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I have an open mind.  

So wide open your brain fell out.

 

23 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

There isn't a unified Government for Israel to negotiate with. 

My post was in jest. Israel isn’t ever going to give that land back.  But I think you should consider that when you take someone else’s land there’s going to be blowback.  Most likely for hundreds of years more if not longer.

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

My post was in jest. Israel isn’t ever going to give that land back.  But I think you should consider that when you take someone else’s land there’s going to be blowback.  Most likely for hundreds of years more if not longer.

But should you not also expect there to be blowback when you try to suffocate a people by cutting off their only shipping routes?