December 12, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: Ok, I'll bite. Where do you think ABC News got its numbers from? Do you seriously think there is an accurate casualty count? Who do you think is doing the actual counting? Well it's not ABC news, that's for damn sure.
December 12, 20231 yr 12 hours ago, Procus said: Ok, I'll bite. Where do you think ABC News got its numbers from? Do you seriously think there is an accurate casualty count? Who do you think is doing the actual counting? Euro med Human rights monitor has it at 21k/23k civilians/dead. The numbers are pretty consistent, half the world is trying to get reports. Unless you got a couple pounds of sand up your arse to shove your head into, that's the ballpark we're looking at. It's ABC News bud. I align with ya'll 80-90% of the time but ABC News is both reliable and admittedly pro Biden pro Democrat party slant. Wherever they got it from they believe it.
December 12, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Stop the count, amirite? I'm not saying anybdoy should change their opinions because dawkins for president on the interwebs said so. But if you're gonna be cheering on this kind of carnage (closing in on 10k children), you better be clear eyed about it.
December 12, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said: I'm not saying anybdoy should change their opinions because dawkins for president on the interwebs said so. But if you're gonna be cheering on this kind of carnage (closing in on 10k children), you better be clear eyed about it. Dude, nobody's cheering any of this on, we're just saying that Hamas doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to such things so we're not as eager as you are to take their word for it. Their claims that the IDF bombed the hospital weren't even that long ago and look at how that turned out. Obviously there are a F ton of civilian deaths, and it's incredibly sad, nobody is disputing that. 8k or 18k, it's a F'ing tragedy either way.
December 12, 20231 yr There is too much of this polarized BS. Both sides can be wrong, and in this case, both sides can shoulder blame. Hamas is shite on a stick. Some of the Israeli response is also shite. It is right and good to notice them both.
December 12, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, Toastrel said: There is too much of this polarized BS. Both sides can be wrong, and in this case, both sides can shoulder blame. Hamas is shite on a stick. Some of the Israeli response is also shite. It is right and good to notice them both. You know there’s human rights organizations counting dead too, right? You don’t have to believe Israel or Hamas…
December 12, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: You know there’s human rights organizations counting dead too, right? You don’t have to believe Israel or Hamas… I don't have to believe anybody, but thanks for pointing that out. Not sure why it worth your while typing it out. Human rights groups can also lie, because they are run by people, and people can be dewshberries.
December 12, 20231 yr 13 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: Well it's not ABC news, that's for damn sure. oh we're going with the Fake Noos angle? Bold strategy.
December 12, 20231 yr 24 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Dude, nobody's cheering any of this on, we're just saying that Hamas doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to such things so we're not as eager as you are to take their word for it. Their claims that the IDF bombed the hospital weren't even that long ago and look at how that turned out. Obviously there are a F ton of civilian deaths, and it's incredibly sad, nobody is disputing that. 8k or 18k, it's a F'ing tragedy either way. I disagree whole heartedly, I was very clear on the outset that it was going to be exactly the numbers at play that were going to decide when Biden had to pull the leash.
December 12, 20231 yr 20 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: oh we're going with the Fake Noos angle? Bold strategy. Yep, the Hamas Ministry of Health is fake news.
December 12, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: Euro med Human rights monitor has it at 21k/23k civilians/dead. The numbers are pretty consistent, half the world is trying to get reports. Unless you got a couple pounds of sand up your arse to shove your head into, that's the ballpark we're looking at. It's ABC News bud. I align with ya'll 80-90% of the time but ABC News is both reliable and admittedly pro Biden pro Democrat party slant. Wherever they got it from they believe it. ABC News is literally just reporting the figure that Hamas put out, which is what every news organization is doing. War is tragic, and civilians die in war. It is a tragic fact, but it is a fact none the less. And the risk of civilian casualties goes up when one side purposefully puts its own civilians in harms way because it is their very goal to maximize their own civilian casualties so that people like you can go "omg look at what Israel is doing!"
December 12, 20231 yr 34 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: the Fake Noos angle Less than two months ago... On 10/19/2023 at 8:49 AM, dawkins4prez said: The United States is apparently the only country convinced it was a Hamas rocket. All of europe is blaming Israel, including its defacto leader Macron. This time my friends it absolutely is the US Government lying to us. On 10/19/2023 at 9:23 AM, dawkins4prez said: Nobody is buying the evidence the US is selling. The US also just vetoed UN aid to Palestine over language that would cover Israel's arse. I've already told you guys, it doesn;t matter who's rocket it was, it was probaly a mistake either way and even if it wasn't this is real good time to push a cease fire. Israel has already extracted thier 5,000 pounds of flesh. They have already killed 3-4 times as many as were killed during the attack. A hospital has been blown up. Revenge has been had.
December 12, 20231 yr 21 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Less than two months ago... Dozens of school and hospitals have been demolished/blown up attacked and you guys are trying to hang your hat on that one?
December 12, 20231 yr 16 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Well yeah, it is. An outlier report disputed by international community versus consensus ballpark numbers.
December 12, 20231 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: Dozens of school and hospitals have been demolished/blown up attacked and you guys are trying to hang your hat on that one? I'm not hanging my hat on anything. I'm just pointing out that one of us has fallen for the Fake Noos Angle at least once since this is all kicked off and it wasn't me.
December 12, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said: Well yeah, it is. An outlier report disputed by international community versus consensus ballpark numbers. Wait a second, you think there's still any dispute over what hit that hospital?
December 12, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Wait a second, you think there's still any dispute over what hit that hospital? Mate, I swear to gawd I lost track of that story because as you quoted from me back then, it NEVER mattered. Hospitals and schools were going to be wrecked by both teams but mostly by Israel as it went on.
December 12, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Mate, I swear to gawd I lost track of that story because as you quoted from me back then, it NEVER mattered. Hospitals and schools were going to be wrecked by both teams but mostly by Israel as it went on. So when you fell for Fake Noos it didn't matter, but you're allowed to freely levy the accusation at others when you feel like it because reasons. Got it.
December 12, 20231 yr Also, you're really overplaying the angle that there was some widespread dispute among the international community. You said back then that France was aligned with the Hamas claim but failed to ever back it up. In reailty, their own intel sided with US intel that it was a Hamas rocket, rather than an IDF airstrike, that hit the hospital. French intelligence points to Palestinian rocket, not Israeli airstrike, for Gaza hospital blast BY JOHN LEICESTER Updated 6:42 PM EST, October 20, 2023 Share PARIS (AP) — An assessment by French military intelligence indicates the most likely cause of the deadly explosion at Gaza City’s al-Ahli hospital was a Palestinian rocket that carried an explosive charge of about 5 kilograms (11 pounds) and possibly misfired, a senior French military official said Friday. Several rockets in the arsenal of the Palestinian militant group Hamas carry explosive charges of about that weight, including an Iranian-made rocket and another that is Palestinian-made, the intelligence official said. https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-france-intelligence-7be0d59b9ceb58bbf2f03c5dc8222356
December 12, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: So when you fell for Fake Noos it didn't matter, but you're allowed to freely levy the accusation at others when you feel like it because reasons. Got it. I call it the Colin Powell rule. If the US is the only one saying it, I don't believe it. Not a fool proof system but hey, whatcha gonna do?
December 12, 20231 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: I call it the Colin Powell rule. If the US is the only one saying it, I don't believe it. Not a fool proof system but hey, whatcha gonna do? They literally weren't, I just posted an article showing you that France was agreeing with it. But that's not even it, you weren't just following your policy of not believing the US government because you then went further to say that Europe and its defacto leader (Macron) all disputed it. So now it's your turn, let's see the receipts on that....
December 12, 20231 yr 11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: They literally weren't, I just posted an article showing you that France was agreeing with it. But that's not even it, you weren't just following your policy of not believing the US government because you then went further to say that Europe and its defacto leader (Macron) all disputed it. So now it's your turn, let's see the receipts on that.... Oh hell no! i'm not gonna go back and do a book report on what who said first or when they switched opinions. I'll take the L on the hospital, no problemo, because as I said back then it never mattered...there were going to be plenty of hospitals and schools destroyed sooner than later. Now back to the matter at hand, what's the kill count on children and civilians as it stands right now? Go ahead, give me your numbers.
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