36 minutes ago, TEW said:

Ackman taking this stuff… personally.

He's been calling everyone, and I mean everyone, in the finance community to rally support.

41 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

dude, do the world a favor and go back to sucking on tailpipes. 

tailpipes?

 

 

Edit: Oh, you mean a gas powered cars smokeblower.  You see, I drive an EV powered by clean electricity I generate at home from the sun, so my car doesn't need one of those.  You can understand my confusion.

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

He's been calling everyone, and I mean everyone, in the finance community to rally support.

Do you believe it's gaining any traction or is this just a tantrum he's throwing and that the professionals are blowing off.

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

Yeah, there are all kinds of stats on civilian casualties but my points are directed more at  nonchalant attitude on civilian war deaths that so many have here. 

 The fact is, at some point in the war we stopped bombing areas where there were civilians and those steps not only prevented civilian deaths, it put our troops at more risk. That doesn’t mean there were no more civilian casualties, just that we weren’t going to bomb a school full of children because insurgents launched a few mortars from a playground, or Mosque, or neighborhood……. 

And israel is not bombing a school full of children either.  So your analogy doesn’t hold water.   And yes at some point we stopped bombing areas and went towards a strategy of clearing out local areas with ground forces.  That time wasn’t 2 months after the offensive began.

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

Blah blah blah, Hamas is evil. Blah blah blah.  I already know that Hamas is an evil organization and they need to be eliminated, but I don’t believe "we” have to be like them to do it. Revenge leads to revenge leads to revenge………

Revenge isn’t what is going on. I can understand questioning the tactics which is a good thing to do but it most certainly isn’t about revenge. 

If Hamas cares about their people they should surrender and end the war. 

17 minutes ago, paco said:

Do you believe it's gaining any traction or is this just a tantrum he's throwing and that the professionals are blowing off.

It's having an impact in both getting donations/gifts pulled and having firms blacklist students that publicly back Hamas.

33 minutes ago, paco said:

tailpipes?

 

 

Edit: Oh, you mean a gas powered cars smokeblower.  You see, I drive an EV powered by clean electricity I generate at home from the sun, so my car doesn't need one of those.  You can understand my confusion.

i forgot some had theirs cut off. 

Any sympathy for the people has just gone out the window with this.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/nation-world/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views/article_5469aa3e-26c4-52d2-a9c9-3857fdc0c576.html

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign

9 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Any sympathy for the people has just gone out the window with this.

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign

i call BS. who in the F is going round polling palestinians in the middle of a warzone ? 

 

excuse me sir, i see you are running for your life from the artillery strikes, but can we ask you to take a quick survey on your thoughts about hamas ? 

32 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i call BS. who in the F is going round polling palestinians in the middle of a warzone ? 

 

excuse me sir, i see you are running for your life from the artillery strikes, but can we ask you to take a quick survey on your thoughts about hamas ? 

Sounds like something @Arthur Jackson would do

14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Sounds like something @Arthur Jackson would do

By polling he meant asking them questions, not sexual assult.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

By polling he meant asking them questions, not sexual assult.

Ahh right, ok, my bad

45 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i call BS. who in the F is going round polling palestinians in the middle of a warzone ? 

 

excuse me sir, i see you are running for your life from the artillery strikes, but can we ask you to take a quick survey on your thoughts about hamas ? 

1) the poll was conducted in Gaza and the West Bank.  The West Bank is not a war zone.

2) The polls taken in Gaza were done during the ceasefire, when people weren’t running for their lives and there were no artillery strikes.
3) the survey was conducted by Dr Shikaki of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research. 

6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

1) the poll was conducted in Gaza and the West Bank.  The West Bank is not a war zone.

2) The polls taken in Gaza were done during the ceasefire, when people weren’t running for their lives and there were no artillery strikes.
3) the survey was conducted by Dr Shikaki of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research. 

4) none of that is mentioned in the post. 

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i call BS. who in the F is going round polling palestinians in the middle of a warzone ? 

 

excuse me sir, i see you are running for your life from the artillery strikes, but can we ask you to take a quick survey on your thoughts about lindy booth? 

 

35 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Sounds like something @Arthur Jackson would do

 

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

If your argument is that Israel is relying to heavily on air power and rockets/missiles, as opposed to going in with troops and clearing targets building to building like we did in Fallujah, then I can understand that criticism. My hope would be that at some point Israel's tactics will shift to more of a ground campaign that focuses on clearing out pockets of resistance. But as you said, that puts IDF forces at greater risk. I don't know enough about Israel's military capabilities to know if they can commit the required forces to Gaza while still defending its borders in the North and the East.

I'd view this as honest debate/criticism of tactics. But that doesn't make what Israel is currently doing immoral or a war crime. Those are bold accusations that require proof well beyond non-sensical comparisons of civilian casualties in wildly different conflicts. 

Most of the IDF is reservists. They kind of operate on a "have enough active manpower just in case things pop off and if they do call up the reserves”. So with the call ups they should have enough to be able to do both. 
 

Also the IDF has been doing a significant amount on the ground. I was watching a POV video of an IDF soldier engaging two terrorists in an apartment building, so they are going in and not just dropping JDAMs. (The video is some ish. He’s holding a doorway and engages one, retreats back, gets knocked down by a grenade that landed three feet in front of him, then makes entry and moves in and takes out a terrorist at point blank range.)

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i call BS. who in the F is going round polling palestinians in the middle of a warzone ? 

 

excuse me sir, i see you are running for your life from the artillery strikes, but can we ask you to take a quick survey on your thoughts about hamas ? 

It's probably West Bank Palestinians being polled but your post is hilarious. Pardon me sir... 

2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

It's probably West Bank Palestinians being polled but your post is hilarious. Pardon me sir... 

you might want to include the link/info when you post something like that. 

 

just sayin' 

 

edit - for the record, the results of the poll are not surprising. 

3 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

 Revenge leads to revenge leads to revenge………

That's why I pray for the  Israeli people, it ain't gonna be good for them and their backers (USA) if they send in the UN troops.  I also pray for the people of Palestine also, may God have mercy on all the innocent men, women, and children caught in the middle of political aspirations. 

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

you might want to include the link/info when you post something like that. 

 

just sayin' 

 

edit - for the record, the results of the poll are not surprising. 

https://tulsaworld.com/news/nation-world/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views/article_5469aa3e-26c4-52d2-a9c9-3857fdc0c576.html

RAMALLAH, West Bank — A wartime opinion poll among Palestinians published Wednesday shows a rise in support for Hamas, which appears to have ticked up even in the devastated Gaza Strip, and an overwhelming rejection of Western-backed President Mahmoud Abbas, with nearly 90% saying he must resign.

The findings by a Palestinian pollster signal more difficulties ahead for the Biden administration's postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel's stated goal of ending Hamas' military and governing capabilities.

Washington has called for the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority, currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to statehood. U.S. officials have said the PA must be revitalized, without letting on whether this would mean leadership changes.

2 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

That's why I pray for the  Israeli people, it ain't gonna be good for them and their backers (USA) if they send in the UN troops.  I also pray for the people of Palestine also, may God have mercy on all the innocent men, women, and children caught in the middle of political aspirations. 

this is actually a decent post. 

 

11 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

this is actually a decent post. 

 

don't be fooled 

it's the usual cloying pablum riddled with surreptitious subtext

 

 

 

(yes, I did get a new thesaurus for by birthday)

Well, this should cause a reaction and liven up the afternoon.