October 10, 20231 yr Author 23 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: Don't get me wrong, but be careful. There's a lot of rubbish floating around as usual. That said, I already saw reasonable confirmation of things I was skeptical about because I thought were beyond the pale, even for Hamas. Yes, I’m pretty careful normally and surely there is some hard core sensational propaganda material being pushed but this does look to be more raw and gruesome than normal. As always we need to stay patient and allow time for a clear picture to arise.
October 10, 20231 yr 38 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: Don't get me wrong, but be careful. There's a lot of rubbish floating around as usual. That said, I already saw reasonable confirmation of things I was skeptical about because I thought were beyond the pale, even for Hamas. The 1st casualty of war is the truth. Community notes will right that wrong though!
October 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: The 2 state solution is dead. Let’s say a Palestinian state already existed. What do you think their military would be used for?
October 10, 20231 yr Truth? On Sunday Biden Secretary of State Tony Blinken told reporters the $6 billion Joe Biden gifted to Iran in September was not used in the Hamas Sabbath terrorist attack this weekend.
October 10, 20231 yr 29 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Let’s say a Palestinian state already existed. What do you think their military would be used for? I'll take not chopping the heads off of babies and killing grandmothers and uploading it to facebook for $1000 Alex.
October 10, 20231 yr 27 minutes ago, lynched1 said: Truth? On Sunday Biden Secretary of State Tony Blinken told reporters the $6 billion Joe Biden gifted to Iran in September was not used in the Hamas Sabbath terrorist attack this weekend. Reports are coming out that the planning for this started 2 years ago. The WSJ article you cited yesterday says the date for the attack was picked months ago before that deal was made.
October 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Reports are coming out that the planning for this started 2 years ago. The WSJ article you cited yesterday says the date for the attack was picked months ago before that deal was made. I usually have plans made before the financing. Big projects require advance planning. See it as an impossibility if you wish.
October 10, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, lynched1 said: I usually have plans made before the financing. Big projects require advance planning. See it as an impossibility if you wish. Yeah, Hamas needed $6 billion to cut through fencing at a far southern outpost and ride through on motorcycles. Makes sense.
October 10, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Reports are coming out that the planning for this started 2 years ago. The WSJ article you cited yesterday says the date for the attack was picked months ago before that deal was made. So what? Planning is cheap, executing requires money. Keep trying to excuse the Iranian terror masters.
October 10, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Let’s say a Palestinian state already existed. What do you think their military would be used for? Terrorism
October 10, 20231 yr 30 minutes ago, barho said: Yeah, Hamas needed $6 billion to cut through fencing at a far southern outpost and ride through on motorcycles. Makes sense. I don't think you read enough about what went on during the attack. The use of motorcycles was not the most interesting part of it. Fairly sure it wouldn't have required an entire $6B to pull off but certainly someone must have considered the ancillary expenses as a result of those actions. I'd also imagine everything gets more expensive once trade and relief money becomes restricted.
October 11, 20231 yr Let’s just stipulate for a second that the $6 billion wasn’t used for this attack. Again, so what? 0bama gave Iran pallets of cash when he was president. 0bama and Biden have given the Palestinians billions in aid money. Knowing full well that that money would likely be used to fund terrorist acts. That WSJ article being thrown around also reports that Iran was directly involved in this attack. Knowing all of that, even though we’ve stipulated that they didn’t use the $6 billion in this attack, wtf would you give it to them? Now add Rob Malley to the mix…
October 11, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, The_Omega said: So what? Planning is cheap, executing requires money. Keep trying to excuse the Iranian terror masters. There’s no evidence at all that the money freed up for hostages has been used in any of this. You believe the worst because you want to
October 11, 20231 yr 19 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Let’s just stipulate for a second that the $6 billion wasn’t used for this attack. Again, so what? 0bama gave Iran pallets of cash when he was president. 0bama and Biden have given the Palestinians billions in aid money. Knowing full well that that money would likely be used to fund terrorist acts. That WSJ article being thrown around also reports that Iran was directly involved in this attack. Knowing all of that, even though we’ve stipulated that they didn’t use the $6 billion in this attack, wtf would you give it to them? Now add Rob Malley to the mix… Why aren't you carping about how the $6 billion is being used to build drones that are being sold to the Russians to bomb the Ukrainians? You might just as well be because you have no idea where the money went other than it shouldn't have been given to Iran--of which we all agree. Just reduce your "analysis" to "I hate Obama and Biden." Save us some reading.
October 11, 20231 yr 20 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Let’s just stipulate for a second that the $6 billion wasn’t used for this attack. Again, so what? 0bama gave Iran pallets of cash when he was president. 0bama and Biden have given the Palestinians billions in aid money. Knowing full well that that money would likely be used to fund terrorist acts. That WSJ article being thrown around also reports that Iran was directly involved in this attack. Knowing all of that, even though we’ve stipulated that they didn’t use the $6 billion in this attack, wtf would you give it to them? Now add Rob Malley to the mix… Again, evidence matters. I have no problem settling Irans hash once and for all, but evidence would be good
October 11, 20231 yr 9 minutes ago, Next_Up said: Why aren't you carping about how the $6 billion is being used to build drones that are being sold to the Russians to bomb the Ukrainians? You might just as well be because you have no idea where the money went other than it shouldn't have been given to Iran--of which we all agree. Just reduce your "analysis" to "I hate Obama and Biden." Save us some reading. Obviously we don’t all agree. There are plenty who are fine with the money having been given to Iran. And if you can’t handle discussing current events without resorting to attacking the poster rather than the post , then you’ll fit right in here.
October 11, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Again, evidence matters. I have no problem settling Irans hash once and for all, but evidence would be good Except this administration deliberately makes evidence gathering next to impossible like they did when they allowed the money to be moved to Qatar. Again, if you’re fairly certain they’re going to use the money to fund terrorism, why do you give it to them?
October 11, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: Obviously we don’t all agree. There are plenty who are fine with the money having been given to Iran. And if you can’t handle discussing current events without resorting to attacking the poster rather than the post , then you’ll fit right in here. I fit it, heart, heart, heart emojies. Thank you "The Omega" your humility in letting me feel part of this forum of deep and meaningful analysis makes me just....fart rainbows. Thank you!
October 11, 20231 yr 10 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Dude's been defending murder and genocide for nearly 2 years in the Ukraine thread. I'm honestly surprised anything could get him banned. it seems like the line was drawn at babies being beheaded. Who woulda thought it would need to go that far?
October 11, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, The_Omega said: So what? Planning is cheap, executing requires money. Keep trying to excuse the Iranian terror masters. 28 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Obviously we don’t all agree. There are plenty who are fine with the money having been given to Iran. And if you can’t handle discussing current events without resorting to attacking the poster rather than the post , then you’ll fit right in here.
October 11, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, The_Omega said: So what? Planning is cheap, executing requires money. Keep trying to excuse the Iranian terror masters. Well, that’s not really true. Not sure you’re fully thinking this through if you think the planning is cheap. There’s the acquisition of all the munitions used for the attack. There’s the payments for the recruiting, maintenance, and training of the people that are to be taking place in the attack. And as this was a secret attack, there was most likely extra money spent on keeping people’s mouths shut for the past two years.
October 11, 20231 yr On 10/7/2023 at 3:09 PM, Dave Moss said: oh, they cut electricity to what's basically a permanent refugee camp? BFD
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