5 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

look at dave tossing around alpha-soy insults like shill...

 

 

on a serious note, this deal with attacking the convoy was BS. Israel F'd up royally and there's no other way of looking at it. 

Bad intel has to be to blame not the performance. They wiped out a convoy, which how you conduct such an operation

11 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I'm seeing how far Putin is willing to go with this and its only strengthened my opinion that he needed to be stopped.  I see Ukranians fighting for every bloody inch of their country in a way so many other countries we "helped' never did. I see a Putin that wants to flip the world order with WW3 and is the catalyst egging China and Iran to team up and make it happen. Russia has lost their muffler on the speed bump that is Ukraine and the world owes Ukraine every shell we can give them for it.

 

Exactly. What better way to deter China from dickswinging in the South Pacific than for us to have stepped up and helped Ukraine grind down a Russian invasion to a standstill like this. After seeing how it's played out, I'm not sure Jinping wants to taste the same level of sanctions and resistance (both internal and external) that Putin is experiencing. Like you said, turning a blindeye only emboldens both current and future aggressors.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Bad intel has to be to blame not the performance. They wiped out a convoy, which how you conduct such an operation

either way this is F'd and the longer this conflict goes on, the more chances for sheet like this and the other occurrences of innocent lives lost, happens. 

3 hours ago, Kz! said:

What? You just get progressively more retarded every time you post.  

Me: I slay in pickup basketball.

Housewife: Having sex with men in your poker league doesn't count as slaying.

Fing weirdo.  

Let’s get a basketball shooting challenge going. I’m a pickup bball regular myself.  What do you say?  We pick a spot on the court, say top of the key.  Record ourselves taking 20 shots and post it.  Higher made shots wins. Loser donates $25 to charity of the other’s choice.  (Has to be legit charity.  If I win it would be donating to the American cancer society).

what do you say KZ?

 

41 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

either way this is F'd and the longer this conflict goes on, the more chances for sheet like this and the other occurrences of innocent lives lost, happens. 

Ot course, but friendly fire is always a risk

doesnt mean the emotional rants are to be taken seriously

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

The only issue with this logic is that Russia doesn't give a F.  They haven't slowed down a bit, have they?

And theyve also strengthened their ties with other "enemy" nations like North Korea, Belarus, China, and Iran.  So again, I'll ask, is this still preventing a broader conflict or leading us closer to one?

Anyone want to change their answer yet?  Or should I wait another 6 months of total stalemate and billions of US dollars?

So your theory is that while Putin is a blood thirsty warmonger hell bent on conquest, if he defeats Ukraine, he will just stop there and we will see no further aggression from him? That's what you're going with?

24 minutes ago, Gannan said:

So your theory is that while Putin is a blood thirsty warmonger hell bent on conquest, if he defeats Ukraine, he will just stop there and we will see no further aggression from him? That's what you're going with?

yes, because .............................................................libs. 

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

So your theory is that while Putin is a blood thirsty warmonger hell bent on conquest, if he defeats Ukraine, he will just stop there and we will see no further aggression from him? That's what you're going with?

No I never said that.  I'm saying that the idea that we have "neutralized" or dissuaded Putin from his broader aspirations at all is false.

I think the idea that our actions have prevented future wars is also false, I think this has all made a broader war more likely, not less.  

I think this was a diplomatic failure from the get-go.  And I question the need for a continued conflict when its not really serving a purpose in reality.  

Everyone wants to talk about "what happens if we don't intervene now"....we haven't truly intervened.  We're half-arsing it.

Meanwhile, Russia is strengthening their strategic alliances with nations that would oppose us in a global conflict. 

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

So your theory is that while Putin is a blood thirsty warmonger hell bent on conquest, if he defeats Ukraine, he will just stop there and we will see no further aggression from him? That's what you're going with?

Obviously, the only guy who can stop Putin is the 300lb bag of ish that is encouraging him to roll through Europe lmao.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/04/04/biden-israel-gaza-civilians/73205771007/

The White House said on Thursday it may change its policy on Israel's war against Hamas in Gaza unless Israel can outline "concrete" steps to reduce harm to civilians and protect aid workers.

President Joe Biden spoke by phone with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday, three days after Israel launched an attack in Gaza in which seven World Central Kitchen aid workers were killed, the White House said.

"President Biden emphasized that the strikes on humanitarian workers and the overall humanitarian situation are unacceptable," according to a statement from the White House. "He made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers."

Biden made clear that U.S. policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by U.S assessment of Israel’s immediate action on these steps, according to the statement released by the White House.

National Security Adviser John Kirby did not elaborate what the policy changes might entail during the White House press briefing on Thursday.

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"He underscored that an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize and improve the humanitarian situation and protect innocent civilians, and he urged the Prime Minister to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages home," the statement reads.

The two leaders also discussed public Iranian threats against Israel and the Israeli people and Biden made clear that the United States strongly supports Israel in the face of those threats.

More than 200 aid workers, the vast majority of them Palestinians, have been killed in Israeli airstrikes and gunfire since the war started with Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel, U.S. officials say.

Biden said he was "outraged and heartbroken" by the attack, which included one American, in a statement Tuesday.

"This conflict has been one of the worst in recent memory in terms of how many aid workers have been killed," Biden said in the  statement. "This is a major reason why distributing humanitarian aid in Gaza has been so difficult — because Israel has not done enough to protect aid workers trying to deliver desperately needed help to civilians.

 

Biden said he was "outraged and heartbroken" by the attack.

Chef José Andrés said Wednesday that Israeli forces had targeted a World Central Kitchen convoy in the Gaza Strip "systematically, car by car," killing seven aid workers, including one American, as the White House said it wanted to see "accountability” for the attack. 

On the very same day of the airstrikes which killed the aid workers, the Biden administration reportedly signed off on shipment of thousands more bombs to Israel, an attack that has drawn outrage around the world.

Three U.S. officials told the Washington Post the State Department approved the transfer of more than 1,000 MK82 500-pound bombs, over 1,000 small-diameter bombs and fuses for MK80 bombs. All the weapons transfers had been authorized by Congress years before the Oct. 7 attack on Israel that ignited the current war in Gaza, said the U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive arms deals. 

16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

No I never said that.  I'm saying that the idea that we have "neutralized" or dissuaded Putin from his broader aspirations at all is false.

I think the idea that our actions have prevented future wars is also false, I think this has all made a broader war more likely, not less.  

I think this was a diplomatic failure from the get-go.  And I question the need for a continued conflict when its not really serving a purpose in reality.  

Everyone wants to talk about "what happens if we don't intervene now"....we haven't truly intervened.  We're half-arsing it.

Meanwhile, Russia is strengthening their strategic alliances with nations that would oppose us in a global conflict. 

So answer the question then, you believe we should have done nothing, zero zilch?  no sanctions, no arms to Ukraine, nothing?

17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

No I never said that.  I'm saying that the idea that we have "neutralized" or dissuaded Putin from his broader aspirations at all is false.

I think the idea that our actions have prevented future wars is also false, I think this has all made a broader war more likely, not less.  

I think this was a diplomatic failure from the get-go.  And I question the need for a continued conflict when its not really serving a purpose in reality.  

Everyone wants to talk about "what happens if we don't intervene now"....we haven't truly intervened.  We're half-arsing it.

Meanwhile, Russia is strengthening their strategic alliances with nations that would oppose us in a global conflict. 

After absolutely losing his mind over "BOOTS ON THE GROUND!" now Sling Blade over here is trying to say we're only half-assing it and coming off as too weak.  

22 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Obviously, the only guy who can stop Putin is the 300lb bag of ish that is encouraging him to roll through Europe lmao.

I guess I need to post this again for the slow ones in the back:

Obama: Putin invades Ukraine

Trump:

Biden:  Putin invades Ukraine

 

Scoreboard!

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I guess I need to post this again for the slow ones in the back:

Obama: Putin invades Ukraine

Trump:

Biden:  Putin invades Ukraine

 

Scoreboard!

For the peoples whose balls don't work anymore, Putin didn't have to do anything when Trump was in office, Trump was doing his best to wreck NATO without Putin needing to do anything. "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making mistakes".

18 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

So answer the question then, you believe we should have done nothing, zero zilch?  no sanctions, no arms to Ukraine, nothing?

I think we should have probably threatened actual retaliation for an invasion. It should have never gotten to this point.

But since Biden waits until it's too late for literally everything (see Afghanistan), we're now scrambling.

And instead of drawing up imaginary red lines that never hold (see Obama, Biden) you need an actual POTUS that isn't a bish.  Too bad we don't have that 

21 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

After absolutely losing his mind over "BOOTS ON THE GROUND!" now Sling Blade over here is trying to say we're only half-assing it and coming off as too weak.  

Because it's too late, dip ish. Since the entire planet knows Biden is a senile dementia patient who has a staff that makes his decision for him, we have no options now.

Next thing you know Biden will be providing a humanitarian bridge to Russia and trying to kill their troops with aid packages.

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

For the peoples whose balls don't work anymore, Putin didn't have to do anything when Trump was in office, Trump was doing his best to wreck NATO without Putin needing to do anything. "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making mistakes".

This continues to be the biggest dumbarse argument on the internet 

If that was the case, it would have been the perfect time to invade as Trump wouldn't have pushed back.  Correct?

 

You guys just can't use logic because TDS has destroyed your brains.  Face the fact that Biden is an impotent moron.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

This continues to be the biggest dumbarse argument on the internet 

If that was the case, it would have been the perfect time to invade as Trump wouldn't have pushed back.  Correct?

 

You guys just can't use logic because TDS has destroyed brains.  Face the fact that Biden is an impotent moron.

Lmao, some people play chess, some people play checkers. Mike struggles with the strategic intricacies of go-fish. 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I think we should have probably threatened actual retaliation for an invasion. It should have never gotten to this point.

But since Biden waits until it's too late for literally everything (see Afghanistan), we're now scrambling.

And instead of drawing up imaginary red lines that never hold (see Obama, Biden) you need an actual POTUS that isn't a bish.  Too bad we don't have that 

So you wanted Biden to threaten WWIII? And you think Putin would have stepped back from Ukraine based on that threat?   That's some wishful thinking in your head.

Good thing they do not let people like you be POTUS, we would be engaged in nuclear war.

18 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Because it's too late, dip ish.

 

Only Trump stood up to Putin by

*checks notes*
 

saying he trusted Putin over U.S. national security officials

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

No I never said that.  I'm saying that the idea that we have "neutralized" or dissuaded Putin from his broader aspirations at all is false.

I think the idea that our actions have prevented future wars is also false, I think this has all made a broader war more likely, not less.  

I think this was a diplomatic failure from the get-go.  And I question the need for a continued conflict when its not really serving a purpose in reality.  

Everyone wants to talk about "what happens if we don't intervene now"....we haven't truly intervened.  We're half-arsing it.

Meanwhile, Russia is strengthening their strategic alliances with nations that would oppose us in a global conflict. 

I was all for putting troops in Ukraine before the invasion to prevent him from doing so, so I agree we are half arsing it. But its better than doing nothing. 

1 minute ago, Boogyman said:

Lmao, some people play chess, some people play checkers. Mike struggles with the strategic intricacies of go-fish. 

If Trump was weakening NATO, and was pro-Russia, why would Russia not invade Ukraine during his term???

Why would he wait for the almighty, NATO-supporting Biden to invade??

 

I can't imagine falling for this horseish excuse but I'm sure it makes sense when TDS has destroyed your brain

 

 

1 hour ago, toolg said:

So you wanted Biden to threaten WWIII? And you think Putin would have stepped back from Ukraine based on that threat?   That's some wishful thinking in your head.

Good thing they do not let people like you be POTUS, we would be engaged in nuclear war.

Trump did, he threatened to f'ing nuke Moscow lol

 

And again:

Obama-Russia invades Ukraine

Trump:

Biden: Russia invades Ukraine

41 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Only Trump stood up to Putin by

*checks notes*
 

saying he trusted Putin over U.S. national security officials

Trump said he'd blow up Moscow 

Biden blew up his diaper 

 

There's the difference between the two leaders.  Which one does Putin respect and fear more?