April 9, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: "Droning civilians while botching a military withdrawal is collateral damage but Trump is a terrorist" You're so wise and not at all unhinged not to stir the pot or anything, but that last part seemed a tad bit sarcastic.
April 9, 20241 yr 48 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Biden killed more civilians droning people left and right after he botched the Afghanistan withdrawal. Is he a terrorist? He killed more civilians by dropping aid packages. Is Biden a terrorist? Drone strikes have plummeted under Biden. Meanwhile, Trump was on pace to order more than even Obama ordered. Trump killed far more civilians via drone strike than Biden has.
April 9, 20241 yr https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers But wait, there's more! "Obama eventually put in place arcane requirements to issue public reports on civilian death tolls (but just in certain military theaters), to limit targets to high-level militants (again, in certain battlefields), and require interagency approval (also only for certain targets). Trump has peeled back all of those requirements because, well, he can. We now know more than we did about U.S. drone wars when Obama first took office, but less than when he left."
April 9, 20241 yr Just now, Boogyman said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers He also made them less transparent. Much consistency/much winning from the Peace on Earth, pro-free speech crowd.
April 9, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Boogyman said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers But wait, there's more! "Obama eventually put in place arcane requirements to issue public reports on civilian death tolls (but just in certain military theaters), to limit targets to high-level militants (again, in certain battlefields), and require interagency approval (also only for certain targets). Trump has peeled back all of those requirements because, well, he can. We now know more than we did about U.S. drone wars when Obama first took office, but less than when he left." TBF, if I recall correctly, Obama did that right before Trump took office.
April 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: TBF, if I recall correctly, Obama did that right before Trump took office. He did, and that was definitely politically motivated. Trump still repealed it though, and still droned the F out of an ish-ton of civilians that Trumplikins suddenly stopped caring about for four years. To be honest, I don't know if I just got numb to it, but it didn't seem to be in the news as often. Right wing bias?
April 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said: not to stir the pot or anything, but that last part seemed a tad bit sarcastic. that particular pot is easier to stir than a thin bouillon broth
April 9, 20241 yr Just now, Boogyman said: He did, and that was definitely politically motivated. Trump still repealed it though, and still droned the F out of an ish-ton of civilians that Trumplikins suddenly stopped caring about for four years. To be honest, I don't know if I just got numb to it, but it didn't seem to be in the news as often. Right wing bias? It was never in the news. Even now, it's surprisingly hard to find numbers on any of it. Weird since in the Obama days, it was all over the place. It's almost like the right doesn't actually give a sheet about the civilians being killed and only wanted to attack Obama on it for political reasons...I'm just kidding, they'd never do something like that.
April 9, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Boogyman said: He did, and that was definitely politically motivated. Trump still repealed it though
April 9, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, Kz! said: 19 minutes ago, Boogyman said: and still droned the F out of an ish-ton of civilians that Trumplikins suddenly stopped caring about for four years. To be honest, I don't know if I just got numb to it, but it didn't seem to be in the news as often. Right wing bias?
April 9, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, paco said: Did you just But Trump…. In a discussion about Hamas? With a "but the children" twist.
April 9, 20241 yr Just now, BBE said: With a "but the children" twist. It's a legit question. He's just asking whether the people that elect a terrorist regime deserve to die?
April 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: That's not the point, the point is the level of culpability you have for who runs your country. Our elections are under attack but they aren't Hamas/Palestinian shenanigans (last election was 2006?). The kids that are starving weren't even f'ing born! And your point is what? Decisions have consequences that can affect future generations. As long as the Palestinian people continue to support Hamas, they can reap what they have sown. But because of the arbitrary oppression scale, the Palestinians are somehow absolved of the consequences. Not even going to address the "but Trump" deflection.
April 9, 20241 yr 55 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Drone strikes have plummeted under Biden. Meanwhile, Trump was on pace to order more than even Obama ordered. Trump killed far more civilians via drone strike than Biden has. Lol Biden voters, you guys are amazing. Yeah drone strikes in total are down thanks to Trump eliminating ISIS and ending the Afghanistan war for Obama and Biden. Even during Trump's presidency the rate was declining as he cleaned up the Obama/Biden messes. But don't worry, Biden will pump those rookie numbers up if given the chance to start a few more conflicts. And I was speaking specifically about botching the Afghanistan withdrawal that he knew about months in advance, lied about, then panicked about (resulting in him droning a bunch of civilians for no reason) and then trying to lie about that as well. Now he's just dropping aid packages onto the people he's bombing.
April 9, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It's a legit question. He's just asking whether the people that elect a terrorist regime deserve to die? Once you elect a terrorist regime and that terrorist regime commits an act of war repeatedly and historically, you are subject to the consequences.
April 9, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, Kz! said: Your stupid ass just tried to pull the same ish with Biden removing the Houthi terrorist resignation when Trump tried handcuffing Biden to it in the final days of his presidency.
April 9, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Your stupid ass just tried to pull the same ish with Biden removing the Houthi terrorist resignation when Trump tried handcuffing Biden to it in the final days of his presidency. Oh the one that Biden took away, then reinstated out of necessity, then took away again? That one? Yeah, totally the same thing, Riot Kitchen.
April 9, 20241 yr 33 minutes ago, BBE said: And your point is what? Decisions have consequences that can affect future generations. As long as the Palestinian people continue to support Hamas, they can reap what they have sown. But because of the arbitrary oppression scale, the Palestinians are somehow absolved of the consequences. Not even going to address the "but Trump" deflection. I dunno about any oppression scale but yes the Palestinians are absolutely an oppressed people. Oppressed by Israel and oppressed by their own governing body that hasn't held even a faux election in 20 years. Are they absolved of all culpability? I wouldn't say that, but absolute blame is a ridiculous position to have.
April 9, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: I dunno about any oppression scale but yes the Palestinians are absolutely an oppressed people. Oppressed by Israel and oppressed by their own governing body that hasn't held even a faux election in 20 years. Are they absolved of all culpability? I wouldn't say that, but absolute blame is a ridiculous position to have. As are the claims of genocide. And what of Egypt maintaining the border closed? This issue is far from simple and to throw around terminology such as "outdoor prison, genocide, or apartheid state" are equally charged and misrepresentation of the nature of the conflict.
April 9, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Lol Biden voters, you guys are amazing. Yeah drone strikes in total are down thanks to Trump eliminating ISIS and ending the Afghanistan war for Obama and Biden. Even during Trump's presidency the rate was declining as he cleaned up the Obama/Biden messes. But don't worry, Biden will pump those rookie numbers up if given the chance to start a few more conflicts. And I was speaking specifically about botching the Afghanistan withdrawal that he knew about months in advance, lied about, then panicked about (resulting in him droning a bunch of civilians for no reason) and then trying to lie about that as well. Now he's just dropping aid packages onto the people he's bombing. So much right wing fever dream bullsheet. Quote Yeah drone strikes in total are down thanks to Trump eliminating ISIS and ending the Afghanistan war for Obama and Biden. Trump: releases 5K terrorists, gets nothing in return and leaves without withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Mike: "Trump ended the war!" Meanwhile, Trump was also ordering sheetloads of drone strikes on Yemen and Somalia and killing civilians at a clip you'd pretend to be outraged about if Biden were the one doing it. Quote But don't worry, Biden will pump those rookie numbers up if given the chance to start a few more conflicts. Now this is pure, unadulterated fever-dream cope. "Sure, Biden isn't ordering drone strikes, killing civilians or putting troops in harms way like Trump was, but he wants to! I just know he does!" Quote Now he's just dropping aid packages onto the people he's bombing. Wut? Biden's literally not bombing people in Gaza. The Israelis are doing that just fine by themselves, which, as far as I can tell, you agree with. Your BDS has got you contradicting your own positions.
April 9, 20241 yr 49 minutes ago, BBE said: Once you elect a terrorist regime and that terrorist regime commits an act of war repeatedly and historically, you are subject to the consequences. I agree. If your leader has led an act of terrorism and you continue to support him you're as culpable as he is.
April 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, BBE said: As are the claims of genocide. And what of Egypt maintaining the border closed? This issue is far from simple and to throw around terminology such as "outdoor prison, genocide, or apartheid state" are equally charged and misrepresentation of the nature of the conflict. Outdoor prison is absolutely fair, that's exactly what life in Palestine is and has been for a while. Israel are the wardens and Hamas is the gang that runs it. Genocide is exactly what a rafah invasion with no cease fire for aid and to remove civilians can escalate into. Apartheid State is where this could be headed if Israeli occupancy becomes permanent. Yes, all of those charged words are either already true or imminently in play.
April 9, 20241 yr Once again, how did we get to this point? The government of the Palestinian people attacked another nation state.
April 9, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, Kz! said: Oh the one that Biden took away, then reinstated out of necessity, then took away again? That one? Yeah, totally the same thing, Riot Kitchen. The destination was removed in Feb 2021. This allowed humanitarian aid to continue to flow into affected areas. It was reinstated Nov 2023. That's over 2 1/2 years numbnuts.
April 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, BBE said: Once you elect a terrorist regime and that terrorist regime commits an act of war repeatedly and historically, you are subject to the consequences. Sure. But for a little context to consider… there’s a real possibility that trump could be elected to a 2nd term with less than 50% of the actual votes. Do ALL Americans deserve to die if/when he does something retarded and not supported by 50%+ of the country?
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