April 19, 20241 yr 28 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: My criticism may have been premature - not unlike your sire's ejaculate. Nonetheless I do owe you a pubic public apology. Hear that EMB?
April 19, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: The difference is the US doesn't have much leverage to deal with the other two cases. We aren't allies with Iran or China like we are with Israel. Agree, but I’ll go further. The U.S. has no moral superiority over China when it’s greenlighting its own genocide in Gaza. In some ways I think Biden’s foreign policy is actually worse than Trump’s because the Biden folks think they’re only doing good for the world. Whereas the Trump camp openly admits they don’t care about the rest of the world by screeching "America first” all the time.
April 19, 20241 yr Also, the U.S. aiding Israel and the Russians aiding Iran is just going to become a proxy war like Angola or Nicaragua or any other place the Cold War was contested in the 70s and 80s.
April 19, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Also, the U.S. aiding Israel and the Russians aiding Iran is just going to become a proxy war like Angola or Nicaragua or any other place the Cold War was contested in the 70s and 80s. Russia has its balls tied up at the moment. Israel can kick the crap out of Iran and go to a diner after
April 19, 20241 yr Author 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Also, the U.S. aiding Israel and the Russians aiding Iran is just going to become a proxy war like Angola or Nicaragua or any other place the Cold War was contested in the 70s and 80s. The Middle East is most certainly not Angola or Nicaragua not to mention the long history between the US and Israel. I do think it will remain a proxy situation (thank god) but the situations are very very different and there is a potential for real negative impact that affects things globally unlike anything that was every going to occur in or from the places you mentioned.
April 19, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Agree, but I’ll go further. The U.S. has no moral superiority over China when it’s greenlighting its own genocide in Gaza.
April 19, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Also, the U.S. aiding Israel and the Russians aiding Iran is just going to become a proxy war like Angola or Nicaragua or any other place the Cold War was contested in the 70s and 80s. No, it won't. Too much oil and commerce at stake.
April 19, 20241 yr Author 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: No, it won't. Too much oil and commerce at stake. That was a laughable comparative analysis and from a history professor to boot.
April 19, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Agree, but I’ll go further. The U.S. has no moral superiority over China when it’s greenlighting its own genocide in Gaza. In some ways I think Biden’s foreign policy is actually worse than Trump’s because the Biden folks think they’re only doing good for the world. Whereas the Trump camp openly admits they don’t care about the rest of the world by screeching "America first” all the time.
April 19, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Agree, but I’ll go further. The U.S. has no moral superiority over China when it’s greenlighting its own genocide in Gaza. In some ways I think Biden’s foreign policy is actually worse than Trump’s because the Biden folks think they’re only doing good for the world. Whereas the Trump camp openly admits they don’t care about the rest of the world by screeching "America first” all the time.
April 19, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: munson's crown is serious trouble. I always saw it more as a rule of two scenario.
April 19, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Dave Moss said: The U.S. has no moral superiority over China when it’s greenlighting its own genocide in Gaza. In some ways I think Biden’s foreign policy is actually worse than Trump’s because the Biden folks think they’re only doing good for the world. Whereas the Trump camp openly admits they don’t care about the rest of the world by screeching "America first” all the time.
April 19, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, Procus said: Well, I talked to my sponsor, and I've thought it over, and, you know, my apology above was sarcastic and rude, and you deserve much better.
April 19, 20241 yr 39 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: If people want to send them aid I'd prefer a credit they can use towards weapons and equipment from US companies that are then shipped over to them. Why the hell are we just shipping them that much money? It's insane. The same with food or medical supplies.
April 19, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: If people want to send them aid I'd prefer a credit they can use towards weapons and equipment from US companies that are then shipped over to them. Why the hell are we just shipping them that much money? It's insane. The same with food or medical supplies. Most of the aid is in supplies, not cash. The amount given is usually either the "sticker price" of the supplies or the funding needed for replacement of the ammo/etc. There is usually a cash component but it's a fraction, only where a material substitute is unsuitable like for aid that's purchased on the ground or as a loan to the govt for its own functioning. I don't know offhand about this bill but don't get caught in the trap of believing we're shipping pallets of cash
April 19, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Most of the aid is in supplies, not cash. The amount given is usually either the "sticker price" of the supplies or the funding needed for replacement of the ammo/etc. There is usually a cash component but it's a fraction, only where a material substitute is unsuitable like for aid that's purchased on the ground or as a loan to the govt for its own functioning. I don't know offhand about this bill but don't get caught in the trap of believing we're shipping pallets of cash Makes sense then
April 19, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Makes sense then there's $9.1B for humanitarian aid in Gaza, that's probably going to be the most liquid amount because oftentimes we provide aid through intermediaries I believe. cash money is the most fungible of resources here, but it's so fungible it's also where corruption tends to concentrate so it's perfectly reasonable to question it.
April 19, 20241 yr Quote The bill for Ukraine provides nearly $61 billion in assistance, in line with the measure the Senate passed. This would include two things Ukraine says it needs urgently — a resupply of artillery rounds and air defense missiles. Notably, the House version converts financial assistance to Ukraine's government, separate from military assistance, into a loan. The ground war in Ukraine has been largely an artillery duel, and Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has spoken of Russia having a 10-1 advantage in artillery. In recent months, Russia has made limited gains on the ground. Zelenskyy and Ukrainian military officials say they have simply run out of ammunition in some cases and been forced to retreat. They say the problem could soon get even worse. Ukraine's air defense systems have been effective against Russian airstrikes for much of the past two years. But Russia has been carrying out more damaging strikes on Ukrainian cities and power plants in recent months. Ukraine says this also reflects a shortage of air defense missiles needed to shoot down the incoming Russian fire. The capital Kyiv and a few other critical places are well protected, but other parts of the country have limited air defenses at best. The bill includes nearly $14 billion to help Ukraine buy advanced weapons systems and defense equipment, $13.4 billion to replenish U.S. defense stockpiles, $7.3 billion for current U.S. military operations in the region and $13.7 billion for purchasing U.S. defense systems for Ukraine. Best writeup for the details of the Ukraine portion at least I was able to find. Source: https://www.npr.org/2024/04/19/1245579555/house-republicans-aid-israel-ukraine-tiktok The financial assistance for Ukraine's gov't to function is a loan, not a grant. About $14B in funds looks to be included for military aid, earmarked to buy equipment (presumably from European suppliers). $13.7B earmarked to buy US military equipment $13.4B stays here to replenish what we're giving them in material aid $7.3B to our own military to support the logistical operations around Ukraine
April 19, 20241 yr 16 hours ago, Procus said: OSINTdefender DEFCONWarningSystem Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa... source is a source, of course, of course and no one can trust a source, of course unless, of course, the source, of course is on procus's follow list
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