1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

It's a matter of degree.  The limited but real individual threats by some individuals against others crosses the line as does the fact that they have no right to a prolonged occupation.  I'm not seeing much else.  What are you seeing?

Getting in someone's face and telling them, you are going to be murdered isn't protected free speech. (That's terroristic threatening) I sat on a jury where the judge clearly explained this to me. At least that's how it is in Pa. Aside from that there has been pushing shoving and what the white house has described as "physical intimidation" of Jewish students. 

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

 Im not disagreeing, but where do we draw a line as subjective and vague as that?

physical threats cant be protected speech

Honestly I think the Universities themselves need to draw a harder line on what is acceptable on campus. These presidents are feckless and weak. Why Jewish students who have never set foot in Israel are being blamed for the actions of the Israeli government by these loons is insane. Where I've worked in years past it was a violation of the student honor code. Not sure what Columbia has. But the campus police force seems well within its right to break these things up the minute violent rhetoric is directed toward other students. If a group of skin heads were waving flags with swastikas saying the exact same things these protesters are saying, the universities wouldn't tolerate it for a second. 

6 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Getting in someone's face and telling them, you are going to be murdered isn't protected free speech. (That's terroristic threatening) I sat on a jury where the judge clearly explained this to me. At least that's how it is in Pa. Aside from that there has been pushing shoving and what the white house has described as "physical intimidation" of Jewish students. 

Yes, there are some incidents like that and those people should be yanked and arrested.  The question is when it goes from a couple isolated individuals and events to more structural in the group at which point the whole thing gets shut down.

I think the optimal approach for the Columbia President at this point would be to start by setting a deadline after which a sweep is made thru to arrest people without proper active student IDs.  From there she should set a new policy that the square has to be cleared from say 11pm to 8am under a type of curfew.  The square is private property so I would think they can set some policies like those and then enforce them.  If the student protesters want to come and setup anew every morning and can remain peaceful then so be it.  Setup a fence around the square and properly enforce ID checks before anyone is allowed to enter.

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

 Im not disagreeing, but where do we draw a line as subjective and vague as that?

physical threats cant be protected speech

there are legal tests as to what rises to a level of "threatening" that is no longer protected by the 1st amendment. 

vaguely a "true threat" is not protected. 

all these protesters would hide behind "political hyperbole" arguments, which probably in many cases is valid but there are definitely some "true threat" level verbal attacks in there.

Not only specific threats being made, but if they're blocking entry to buildings, then arrests are the only recourse. Your right to peaceful assembly does not include infringing on the rights of other students to go to class, work, etc. 

33 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yes, there are some incidents like that and those people should be yanked and arrested.  The question is when it goes from a couple isolated individuals and events to more structural in the group at which point the whole thing gets shut down.

I think the optimal approach for the Columbia President at this point would be to start by setting a deadline after which a sweep is made thru to arrest people without proper active student IDs.  From there she should set a new policy that the square has to be cleared from say 11pm to 8am under a type of curfew.  The square is private property so I would think they can set some policies like those and then enforce them.  If the student protesters want to come and setup anew every morning and can remain peaceful then so be it.  Setup a fence around the square and properly enforce ID checks before anyone is allowed to enter.

Well at some point these kids who want to protest need to help police their own. Like head commie says to the little commies "Don't do x,y, or z or the campus police force will force us to leave"

The First Amendment protects you from retribution from the government, not Columbia University. A university has an obligation to all of its students, not just those that are protesting. Shutting down the campus and forcing classes to be online is a direct negative impact on students and their academic experience. And then there's the overt racism, threats, intimidation. etc. There's no reason Columbia, or any university, should allow this type of behavior on campus. Move in, clear them out, and expel the students who don't leave peacefully. Enough is enough. 

If I had a child at Columbia, beyond being horribly disappointed in my child, I'd be livid with the school and demanding a refund of tuition. I am paying for my child to receive a rigorous education, not be relegated to online classes because the university refuses to enforce basic standards.

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Well at some point these kids who want to protest need to help police their own. Like head commie says to the little commies "Don't do x,y, or z or the campus police force will force us to leave"

I’m 100% onboard with that

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not only specific threats being made, but if they're blocking entry to buildings, then arrests are the only recourse. Your right to peaceful assembly does not include infringing on the rights of other students to go to class, work, etc. 

You have no right to peacefully assemble on private property. We need to stop referencing the 1st amendment as it is inapplicable here. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

You have no right to peacefully assemble on private property. We need to stop referencing the 1st amendment as it is inapplicable here. 

No, but the students have whatever rights Columbia has put in their policies (yes, those can be changed). In any case, they absolutely need to keep the campus functioning for students and to eliminate true threats (not snowflake wah crap). They can be smart about how they proceed and still get the job done imo. 

28 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

You have no right to peacefully assemble on private property. We need to stop referencing the 1st amendment as it is inapplicable here. 

Do these universities get public money?

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/24/biden-signs-israel-ukraine-tiktok-bill-into-law.html

President Joe Biden signed into law measures to provide aid to Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan, as well as force the divestiture of social media platform TikTok from its Chinese parent company ByteDance or face a national ban.
TikTok has vowed to legally challenge the measure.
Biden’s official approval ends a six-month saga of tense political battles on Capitol Hill over the foreign aid.

The law earmarks roughly $60 billion in aid for Ukraine, $26 billion for Israel and $8 billion for security in Taiwan and the Indo-Pacific. It also requires ByteDance to sell TikTok within nine months — or a year, if Biden invokes a 90-day extension — or else face a nationwide ban in the U.S.

8 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Do these universities get public money?

Again with this? First you thought Wake Forest was a public college and now Columbia? How do you not get this?

38 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

You have no right to peacefully assemble on private property. We need to stop referencing the 1st amendment as it is inapplicable here. 

preachin to the choir

16 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Do these universities get public money?

Grants and such, sure, but that doesn't extend 1st amendment rights to the whole campus. My brother-in-law works in senior administration in higher education. When he worked at a public institution, they had to abide by free speech protections. Now that he is at a private school...no protections.

23 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

What's with all the medical masks in the protests?  Is it some sort of anti-right virtue signaling in the US these days?

Have you seen what the average leftist looks like?  They are doing us a favor.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Grants and such, sure, but that doesn't extend 1st amendment rights to the whole campus. My brother-in-law works in senior administration in higher education. When he worked at a public institution, they had to abide by free speech protections. Now that he is at a private school...no protections.

Its not as clear/clean as with private industry. They are public subsidized in many ways including aid and student loans

58 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

You have no right to peacefully assemble on private property. We need to stop referencing the 1st amendment as it is inapplicable here. 

The administration and many teachers are complicit

20 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

I literally live on campus.  
this is from my front yard

 

You know that land belonged to Native Americans right?  You should do the honorable thing and go back to Europe.

 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not only specific threats being made, but if they're blocking entry to buildings, then arrests are the only recourse. Your right to peaceful assembly does not include infringing on the rights of other students to go to class, work, etc. 

bingo 

We wish they were more educated too. 

 

5 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

 

Lol those accounts don't get out much

1 hour ago, paco said:

You know that land belonged to Native Americans right?  You should do the honorable thing and go back to Europe.

Yeah, I’m aware.  We have a sign on campus.  And slaves built the buildings on the old campus.  I think we have a sign about that too.

31 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

We wish they were more educated too. 

 

They should protest something worthwhile like the rigged election in 2020!