May 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Gender is fluid Race is a social construct Trump is a convicted rapist all three are known truths I'd like to add, Cheesesteaks and Interstellar both SUCK
May 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Gender is fluid Race is a social construct Trump is a convicted rapist all three are known truths
May 9, 20241 yr Author 6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Gender is fluid Race is a social construct Trump is a convicted rapist all three are known truths ...and Israel is targeting Hamas and not Palestinians, not a genocide the four pillars of truth
May 9, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: ...and Israel is targeting Hamas and not Palestinians, not a genocide the four pillars of truth It I concede the one, you’ll concede the other three?
May 9, 20241 yr Author Just now, Dave Moss said: It I concede the one, you’ll concede the other three? Gender - Yep, a social construct and not the same as biological sex so "fluid" works quite well ; the constructs tend to align to characteristics commonly found within a given sex but the constructs are still socially defined Trump - Yep, a rapist Race - Sure thing, social construct and often aligned with biological characteristics found in a group but none the less a socially defined construct Gaza - Israel's aim is to destroy Hamas not Palestinians, no genocide We good?
May 9, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: So Dave Moss is now a black woman? Normal day he's getting a weave as we speak.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Regardless of whether it’s a mainstream position or not, it’s not wrong to call it what it is. Just like it’s not wrong to call Trump a rapist. Calling what's going on in Gaza genocide trivializes actual genocides in places like Darfur, Rwanda, Cambodia, etc. If you want to water down the term so you can call it so, be my guest, but you must know that you are. And yes, you're absolutely wrong. Israel is not attempting to kill off Palestinians for being Palestinian. They were attacked by Gaza via Hamas and are retaliating, and in the process avoiding plenty of civilian casualties. While there may be incidents, that is inevitable in war. Especially a war in which Hamas chooses to embed itself in the civilian population and routinely redirects resources intended for humanitarian aid for its own efforts.
May 9, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Calling what's going on in Gaza genocide trivializes actual genocides in places like Darfur, Rwanda, Cambodia, etc. If you want to water down the term so you can call it so, be my guest, but you must know that you are. And yes, you're absolutely wrong. Israel is not attempting to kill off Palestinians for being Palestinian. They were attacked by Gaza via Hamas and are retaliating, and in the process avoiding plenty of civilian casualties. While there may be incidents, that is inevitable in war. Especially a war in which Hamas chooses to embed itself in the civilian population and routinely redirects resources intended for humanitarian aid for its own efforts. when will you all face the fact that dave expects war to be a pleasant experience for all ... i mean look how he rants endlessly about ukraine's genocide of the russian civilians that have been killed in their war.
May 9, 20241 yr Author 23 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: So Dave Moss is now a black woman? Normal day It depends on his/her/they/ze/etc. mood each day
May 9, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Calling what's going on in Gaza genocide trivializes actual genocides in places like Darfur, Rwanda, Cambodia, etc. If you want to water down the term so you can call it so, be my guest, but you must know that you are. And yes, you're absolutely wrong. Israel is not attempting to kill off Palestinians for being Palestinian. They were attacked by Gaza via Hamas and are retaliating, and in the process avoiding plenty of civilian casualties. While there may be incidents, that is inevitable in war. Especially a war in which Hamas chooses to embed itself in the civilian population and routinely redirects resources intended for humanitarian aid for its own efforts. I tend to agree with this except for the "processes of avoiding civilian casualties" part. A genocide is a systematic extermination of a race or people. Clearly Israel is not systematically engaged in exterminating all of the Palestinians. However, Bebe couldn't care less how many civilians die in the course of the primary objective of eliminating Hamas.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: I tend to agree with this except for the "processes of avoiding civilian casualties" part. A genocide is a systematic extermination of a race or people. Clearly Israel is not systematically engaged in exterminating all of the Palestinians. However, Bebe couldn't care less how many civilians die in the course of the primary objective of eliminating Hamas. I don't disagree that there's some apparent disregard for Palestinian lives at times, and the Bebe himself is a POS who probably couldn't care less (though does attempt to at least conduct the war in a way that can be politically defensible). Regardless of motives though, for the most part the IDF tries to avoid civilian casualties. But Hamas also has a responsibility there, and if there's a general disregard for Palestinian lives in this conflict it's probably equally shared between Bebe and Hamas.
May 9, 20241 yr Author 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: A genocide is a systematic extermination of a race or people. Clearly Israel is not systematically engaged in exterminating all of the Palestinians. However, Bebe couldn't care less how many civilians die in the course of the primary objective of eliminating Hamas. The term doesn't require an intent of exterminating all of a people. A large chunk is enough. However, the term does require specific intent against a select race or ethnic group of which Hamas is neither.
May 9, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Gannan said: I tend to agree with this except for the "processes of avoiding civilian casualties" part. A genocide is a systematic extermination of a race or people. Clearly Israel is not systematically engaged in exterminating all of the Palestinians. However, Bebe couldn't care less how many civilians die in the course of the primary objective of eliminating Hamas. Exactly this^ He's indifferent at best.
May 9, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Calling what's going on in Gaza genocide trivializes actual genocides in places like Darfur, Rwanda, Cambodia, etc. If you want to water down the term so you can call it so, be my guest, but you must know that you are. And yes, you're absolutely wrong. Israel is not attempting to kill off Palestinians for being Palestinian. They were attacked by Gaza via Hamas and are retaliating, and in the process avoiding plenty of civilian casualties. While there may be incidents, that is inevitable in war. Especially a war in which Hamas chooses to embed itself in the civilian population and routinely redirects resources intended for humanitarian aid for its own efforts. ehh. This case is a tough one because you can't just take this latest round of attack and counter attack in a bubble. Israel's constant excursions propping up housing in territory that isn;t theirs combined with the complete control and draconian distribution of energy, infrastructure and trade for Gaza all combine to form almost a "genocide by asfixiation". then you invade them knowing they have nowhere to run.. I won't get overly caught up with the word, it's semantics. To me its genocide-ish and what really matters is that i think it is morally wrong and I don't want my country directly liable for it.
May 9, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I don't disagree that there's some apparent disregard for Palestinian lives at times, and the Bebe himself is a POS who probably couldn't care less (though does attempt to at least conduct the war in a way that can be politically defensible). Regardless of motives though, for the most part the IDF tries to avoid civilian casualties. But Hamas also has a responsibility there, and if there's a general disregard for Palestinian lives in this conflict it's probably equally shared between Bebe and Hamas. Hamas is definitely culpable. More so than the IDF. However, there comes a point where the strategy of of "Hamas is hiding among civilian populations so we we'll just bomb civilian populations into oblivion" needs to be scrapped. Enough is enough. It's actually playing into the hands of Hamas and its not getting Israel any closer to the end of the war.
May 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Exactly this^ He's indifferent at best. Which is why Biden is cutting him off. The only people who think we are "abandoning Israel" are rheeeeing Trumpbots. Bebe was blowing off Biden and just not listening. This is the one stick Biden has to get his attention and get him to rethink his indifference to civilian casualties.
May 9, 20241 yr Author 20 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: I won't get overly caught up with the word, it's semantics. To me its genocide-ish and what really matters is that i think it is morally wrong and I don't want my country directly liable for it. I think words are important. Watering them down removes the ability to mark something for being truly and remarkably horrible. We've seen similar water down for terms like "race ist", "rape", "violence", "grooming", etc.
May 9, 20241 yr 22 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Calling what's going on in Gaza genocide trivializes actual genocides in places like Darfur, Rwanda, Cambodia, etc. If you want to water down the term so you can call it so, be my guest, but you must know that you are. And yes, you're absolutely wrong. Israel is not attempting to kill off Palestinians for being Palestinian. They were attacked by Gaza via Hamas and are retaliating, and in the process avoiding plenty of civilian casualties. While there may be incidents, that is inevitable in war. Especially a war in which Hamas chooses to embed itself in the civilian population and routinely redirects resources intended for humanitarian aid for its own efforts. I am certain that this hasn't been said to him prior, will clear up his misunderstanding of the situation, and he will rethink his position like a rational human being.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Hamas is definitely culpable. More so than the IDF. However, there comes a point where the strategy of of "Hamas is hiding among civilian populations so we we'll just bomb civilian populations into oblivion" needs to be scrapped. Enough is enough. It's actually playing into the hands of Hamas and its not getting Israel any closer to the end of the war. Yep. To use an extreme analogy, if a criminal takes a hostage and uses them as a shield in a stand off with police, the cops are not justfitied in immediately shooting both of them on the basis of "well he took the hostage, so it's his fault I killed both of them."
May 9, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: Which is why Biden is cutting him off. The only people who think we are "abandoning Israel" are rheeeeing Trumpbots. Bebe was blowing off Biden and just not listening. This is the one stick Biden has to get his attention and get him to rethink his indifference to civilian casualties. Totally. The gall of Israel trying to kill all the terrorists, rather than just some of them based on whatever Bidens dementia team decides is acceptable.
May 9, 20241 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: I think words are important. Watering them down removes the ability to mark something for being truly and remarkably horrible. We've seen similar water down for terms like "boob", "rape", "violence", "grooming", etc. Well tough cookies dude. Violence and rape all have degrees to them. Where does rape start to be "truly and remarkably horrible"? Sticking a hand down somebody' pants? Inserting the finger in their arsehole? Or you think it doesn't get there until full P penetration? Where exactly on that scale of genocide is Israel right now?
May 9, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: when will you all face the fact that dave expects war to be a pleasant experience for all ... i mean look how he rants endlessly about ukraine's genocide of the russian civilians that have been killed in their war. True. The man has many, many faults. But you can't say he hasn't been biased against any particular group.
May 9, 20241 yr Author 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Well tough cookies dude. Violence and rape all have degrees to them. Where does rape start to be "truly and remarkably horrible"? Sticking a hand down somebody' pants? Inserting the finger in their arsehole? Or you think it doesn't get there until full P penetration? Where exactly on that scale of genocide is Israel right now? I think rape and sexual harassment/assault deserve to be considered different levels of horrid behavior. I think the same about the terms "war crimes/atrocities", "genocide", "apartheid" and so on. I don't think the term "genocide" should have different degrees. As for Gaza, it is a horrible situation and I can't help but believe that Israel could and should have done things better but I don't consider it a genocide. I'm going to assume there have been events that will be considered war crimes in any case.
May 9, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Well tough cookies dude. Violence and rape all have degrees to them. Where does rape start to be "truly and remarkably horrible"? Sticking a hand down somebody' pants? Inserting the finger in their arsehole? Or you think it doesn't get there until full P penetration? Where exactly on that scale of genocide is Israel right now? Very true. Sometimes you just get a little raped.
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