May 9, 20241 yr Author 9 minutes ago, paco said: True. The man has many, many faults. But you can't say he hasn't been biased against any particular group. There you go assuming gender again
May 9, 20241 yr Author Right now there are 30k protestors in Malmö protesting as the Israel Eurovision entrant is on the way into the building holding the event. Things might get nasty in Malmö over the next couple of days. edit: The 30k number is from those organizing the event. The media is reporting the numbers are quite a bit lower, probably "just over 10k but growing".
May 9, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Right now there are 30k protestors in Malmö protesting as the Israel Eurovision entrant is on the way into the building holding the event. Things might get nasty in Malmö over the next couple of days. edit: The 30k number is from those organizing the event. The media is reporting the numbers are quite a bit lower, probably "less than 10k". I hope she has good security - she looks like the kind of girl Palestinians dream all night about dragging away from a music festival and into their Morlock hole.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Totally. The gall of Israel trying to kill all the terrorists, rather than just some of them based on whatever Bidens dementia team decides is acceptable. 35,000 civilians killed. The only one with dementia is you. Oh and Trump. Trump has it too.
May 9, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, Gannan said: 35,000 civilians killed. The only one with dementia is you. Oh and Trump. Trump has it too. So you're confirming that it's an arbitrary point in the conflict that Biden picked out of thin air, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reality on the ground, only American politics from thousands of miles away. Biden is a weak leader of a rudderless foreign policy. Again, Israel started in civilian areas and never stopped. Youre only saying this now because Biden is waffling.
May 9, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: So you're confirming that it's an arbitrary point in the conflict that Biden picked out of thin air, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reality on the ground, only American politics from thousands of miles away. YES!!!! F YES!!! OF COURSE the use of UNITED STATES funding should be based on UNITED STATES politics. WTF is wrong with you? Israel can go forward all they want, but if they are screwing with our international objectives and our citizens don't support the Rafah invasion, then they can't do it with our weapons.
May 9, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, dawkins4prez said: https://www.thepipd.com/resources/polling-2024/#:~:text=The polls shows that at,true (Italy-49%%2C It isn't a fringe position GLOBALLY. 49% in Italy say it's genocide.46% Sweden, 43% Belgium (I'd love to see a poll from Ireland, it's probably in the 80's). When asked if Israel should be cut off from arms trade those numbers jump into the 60's. As usual, you need blinders to what's happening in the world to think it's a radical position. Yes it's understood that globally, there is significant anti-Israel/Jewish sentiment. Not to mention that in general, people are uninformed of the history of the area. The only side attempting genocide in this conflict is Hamas. And the only reason they haven't been successful in accomplishing their genocidal goals is that they have inferior weapons systems.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said: Yes it's understood that globally, there is significant anti-Israel/Jewish sentiment. Not to mention that in general, people are uninformed of the history of the area. The only side attempting genocide in this conflict is Hamas. And the only reason they haven't been successful in accomplishing their genocidal goals is that they have inferior weapons systems. Stop it, Europe is generally pro-Israel. If you want really bad numbers check out the areas that are actually pro palestinian, like Latin America.
May 9, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Gannan said: I tend to agree with this except for the "processes of avoiding civilian casualties" part. A genocide is a systematic extermination of a race or people. Clearly Israel is not systematically engaged in exterminating all of the Palestinians. However, Bebe couldn't care less how many civilians die in the course of the primary objective of eliminating Hamas. This conflict has seen one of if not the highest combatant to civilian casualty ratio in modern urban war history. That's especially noteworthy considering how densely populated Gaza is AND not to mention that Hamas purposefully hides its members and resources among civilian infrastructure and Hamas itself wants to maximize civilian casualties. So either Israel is absolutely going above and beyond in doing what they reasonably can do to avoid civilian casualties, or they are the somehow the luckiest military in recent history.
May 9, 20241 yr Admit it - most of you Trump haters who support Israel agree with what he's saying. https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/artc-trump-what-biden-is-doing-with-respect-to-israel-is-disgraceful Trump: "What Biden is doing with respect to Israel is disgraceful" Trump's comments came after Biden confirmed that the U.S. would halt arms deliveries if Israel launches a major military operation in Rafah, where Hamas terrorists remain entrenched
May 9, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Stop it, Europe is generally pro-Israel. If you want really bad numbers check out the areas that are actually pro palestinian, like Latin America. You've got it so backwards.
May 9, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Stop it, Europe is generally pro-Israel. If you want really bad numbers check out the areas that are actually pro palestinian, like Latin America. Sure they are...... I guess all those protests that have been happening across europe since this conflict began were just a figment of my imagination. So then I guess we're just going with the people responding to the poll are just completely uninformed on the history of the area, what the term genocide means, and the realities of war.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said: YES!!!! F YES!!! OF COURSE the use of UNITED STATES funding should be based on UNITED STATES politics. WTF is wrong with you? Israel can go forward all they want, but if they are screwing with our international objectives and our citizens don't support the Rafah invasion, then they can't do it with our weapons. I don't remember there being a vote. All I remember is a dumb old man saying how he didn't forget October 7th, and then days later drawing an arbitrary line in the sand to appease a bunch of lunatics. And Biden doesn't even have any international objectives. Im certain our support of Israel against terrorists doesn't harm any of them anyway
May 9, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Sure they are...... I guess all those protests that have been happening across europe since this conflict began were just a figment of my imagination. So then I guess we're just going with the people responding to the poll are just completely uninformed on the history of the area, what the term genocide means, and the realities of war. Where on earth do you get that pro palestinians are uninformed? Many of the ones I know can recite the dates of the wars and leaders better than you can dude. The protests have been happening because israel's treatment of palestinians has been a growing problem for the past few decades and anti zionist sentiment has been growing in even the most pro israel nations. oh wait, your argument is that 'muricans, especially the ones on the right, are the most informed about International affairs? You want a drum roll?
May 9, 20241 yr Author 17 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Stop it, Europe is generally pro-Israel. If you want really bad numbers check out the areas that are actually pro palestinian, like Latin America. The overriding noise in the media and mainstream in Sweden is anti-Israel particularly among the younger crowd. The govt, on the other hand, has been pretty neutral.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: 35,000 civilians killed. The only one with dementia is you. Oh and Trump. Trump has it too. Where'd you get those numbers from - Hamas?
May 9, 20241 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: The overriding noise in the media and mainstream in Sweden is anti-Israel particularly among the younger crowd. The govt, on the other hand, has been pretty neutral. That's covered in my follow up post. The last couple decades Israel's treatment of palestine has found increasing amounts of pushback. The younger generation who only knows these last couple decades embody that. But despite all of that, remember that after the attacks, even israel's enemies and strongest critics condemned hamas and green lighted israel's initial response.
May 9, 20241 yr Author 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: The younger generation who only knows these last couple decades embody that. Exactly, they are not educated on the actual history and are impacted by the massive amount of TikTok vids, etc. showing Palestinians suffering.
May 9, 20241 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: Exactly, they are not educated on the actual history and are impacted by the massive amount of TikTok vids, etc. showing Palestinians suffering. i find that a tad reductive. It's not tik tok, its living your entire life in a world where Israel has been the oppressor and worse actor.
May 9, 20241 yr Author 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: i find that a tad reductive. It's not tik tok, its living your entire life in a world where Israel has been the oppressor and worse actor. For the 18-25 demographic that I'm talking about it is 90% social media / TikTok. They couldn't have even offered an opinion until November of last year. edit: I agree to many of the 30yr old journalist types seeing Israel as an oppressor. They are an important part as well but the swell of opinion in the younger demographics is literally over the last 4-5 months and it is definitely driven by social media.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said: i find that a tad reductive. It's not tik tok, its living your entire life in a world where Israel has been the oppressor and worse actor. Oh give me a break. Never hear from you about all the oppression of Muslims happening in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya. How many Muslims died in wars over there? Crickets from the likes of you on that. Go crawl back into your little hole.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: So you're confirming that it's an arbitrary point in the conflict that Biden picked out of thin air, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reality on the ground, only American politics from thousands of miles away. Biden is a weak leader of a rudderless foreign policy. Again, Israel started in civilian areas and never stopped. Youre only saying this now because Biden is waffling. It's not arbitrary. It's based on what an full on invasion of Rafah would look like. You might be the most uninformed person here which is really saying something.
May 9, 20241 yr 19 minutes ago, Procus said: Where'd you get those numbers from - Hamas? United Nations, but if you have any actual data (no.. randos on Twitter dont count) to prove they are lying, I'd be interested.
May 9, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Oh give me a break. Never hear from you about all the oppression of Muslims happening in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Libya. How many Muslims died in wars over there? Crickets from the likes of you on that. Go crawl back into your little hole. Hamas are barbarians and I hope every last soldier gets vaporized. No I'm not willing to let Bibi's zionist goons drag us into WW3 over it.
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