May 9, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, Gannan said: So civilians aren't being killed? Yeah, he said nothing remotely close to that
May 9, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Would it look anything like Gaza Strip invasion that already took place? You're grasping at straws. This has nothing to do with the actual war and everything to do with local US politics. Biden is a clown Biden isn’t cutting off military aid. He’s just not giving Israel some of the bigger bombs. You could be the most clueless person on here…
May 9, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: "a stretch" to call it a genocide? No, it's an OUTRIGHT LIE to say this is genocide. What this is, is a declared war between Hamas and Israel. And an unfortunate reality of war is that civilians die. And this is especially true when the war is fought in a densely populated area and one side purposefully hides itself among the civilian population in order to maximize civilian casualties so they can try to win the PR battle, which is the only battle they can win. And look, it's actually working as you have so called "experts" going, "what's happening here is a genocide!". It's not a lie mate. There is a faction of ultra conservative zionists in Israel, the same faction currently propping up Bibi. these guys don't want a two state solution anymore than hamas does. Every chance they get they further their long term goal of absolute Israeli sovereignty and they have proven over and again they are willing to get genocidal-ish to achieve that goal. Sorry the world can't be black and white enough for you. Grow the F up, they ain't lying and they aren't (necessarily) uninformed.
May 9, 20241 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Biden isn’t cutting off military aid. He’s just not giving Israel some of the bigger bombs. You could be the most clueless person on here… And bibi already answered the most important truth to this, THEY DON'T NEED OUR BOMBS. They got plenty enough and to spare to level Gaza. They're the only guys in the region with NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Biden is simply disowning the coming massacre, because it is not in the interests of the US to own it.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, paco said: D4P is having a normal one You know cheesesteaks are bs. I know you know, I'm watching you.
May 9, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Biden is simply disowning the coming massacre, because it is not in the interests of the US to own it. Death to America !
May 9, 20241 yr 22 minutes ago, paco said: Yeah, he said nothing remotely close to that I can't make out what he's saying.
May 9, 20241 yr I know I'm being way too nuanced for CVON, but there's a difference between supporting Netanyahu and supporting Israel in the Israeli people. He isn't even popular in his own country. I had my issues with this nut case before October 7th. Not only does he seem indifferent about the Palestinians, he doesn't seem all that interested in his own people being held hostage. Biden is using the tools at his disposal to try to get this lunatic to be reasonable.
May 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: So civilians aren't being killed? Is that your stance? I'd prefer if you were right, but empirical evidence is pointing to the contrary. Where did I say that civilians aren’t being killed? Obviously civilians are being killed, it’s urban warfare. It’s certainly not 30,000 plus civilians that’s for sure. Have you seen their data? The total casualty figures by day are in almost perfect linear trend. And there’s other problems with the data. Not to mention they actually came out and admitted that there were significant flaws with their data
May 9, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: It's not a lie mate. There is a faction of ultra conservative zionists in Israel, the same faction currently propping up Bibi. these guys don't want a two state solution anymore than hamas does. Every chance they get they further their long term goal of absolute Israeli sovereignty and they have proven over and again they are willing to get genocidal-ish to achieve that goal. Sorry the world can't be black and white enough for you. Grow the F up, they ain't lying and they aren't (necessarily) uninformed. It is absolutely a lie to call it a genocide. some people not wanting a two state solution does not equate to this conflict being a genocide. Hamas wants the DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL AND THE DEATH OF ALL JEWS. THAT’S what genocide is.
May 9, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: It is absolutely a lie to call it a genocide. some people not wanting a two state solution does not equate to this conflict being a genocide. Hamas wants the DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL AND THE DEATH OF ALL JEWS. THAT’S what genocide is. No it’s not. Wishing destruction on a country when you don’t even have an army is called a fantasy. Hamas is just a bunch of **** people - but they’re not capable of destroying Israel. You don’t even understand what genocide is. You might want to start there.
May 9, 20241 yr 33 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: No it’s not. Wishing destruction on a country when you don’t even have an army is called a fantasy. Hamas is just a bunch of **** people - but they’re not capable of destroying Israel. You don’t even understand what genocide is. You might want to start there. Or course Hamas isn’t capable of fulfilling their genocidal dreams, and thank god for that. How does that change any of what I said? If they had the weapons systems to do it, they’d killl every single Jew in Israel. they’re the ones attempting a genocide, they just lack the technology to be able to pull it off. "You don’t even understand what genocide is. You might want to start there.” lol this is rich coming from the people saying "civilians dying during a war means genocide is happening!”
May 9, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Or course Hamas isn’t capable of fulfilling their genocidal dreams, and thank god for that. How does that change any of what I said? If they had the weapons systems to do it, they’d killl every single Jew in Israel. they’re the ones attempting a genocide, they just lack the technology to be able to pull it off. "You don’t even understand what genocide is. You might want to start there.” lol this is rich coming from the people saying "civilians dying during a war means genocide is happening!” Hmmm, well ignorance is bliss I guess
May 9, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Hmmm, well ignorance is bliss I guess Nope. Not ignorance to understand that civilians dying during urban warfare doesn’t mean that a genocide is occurring. Moss: the US dropping two nuclear bombs on cities during WW2 killing hundreds of thousands of civilians wasn’t genocide. Also Moss: civilians dying in Gaza as collateral when Israel takes out a military target means that genocide is happening.
May 10, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Biden isn’t cutting off military aid. He’s just not giving Israel some of the bigger bombs. You could be the most clueless person on here… I never said he was cutting off all aid. He's clearly sending a message, and it's based on absolutely nothing other than US politics.
May 10, 20241 yr Author 5 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Anti-semitism or misinformed? Misinformed. There is some anti-semitism here for sure though. Good chunk of foaming at the mouth right wingers. Small numbers but they are out there.
May 10, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Misinformed. There is some anti-semitism here for sure though. Good chunk of foaming at the mouth right wingers. Small numbers but they are out there. There is PLENTY of that on extreme wings of both sides of the aisle and particularly rampant in the Muslim world
May 10, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Gannan said: I can't make out what he's saying. By the way, the 30,000+ figure that Hamas claims is for TOTAL casualties, including combatants. It also includes people that have been killed by their own rocket misfires that land within Gaza.
May 10, 20241 yr She should do like Russia in Olympics, enter as a neutral contestant. Of course that won’t stop the protesters. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13403455/Pro-Palestinian-UK-pubs-Eurovision-protest-Israels-inclusion-events-ahead-call-gigs-fear-staff-safety.html
May 10, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: By the way, the 30,000+ figure that Hamas claims is for TOTAL casualties, including combatants. It also includes people that have been killed by their own rocket misfires that land within Gaza. Genocide claims pre-dated October 7 anyway. If Israel was already accused of genocide seven months ago, then laying off Hamas now doesn't seem to change the calculus much.
May 10, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: Genocide claims pre-dated October 7 anyway. If Israel was already accused of genocide seven months ago, then laying off Hamas now doesn't seem to change the calculus much. Some folks just put it in terms of body count
May 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Arthur Jackson said: Genocide claims pre-dated October 7 anyway. If Israel was already accused of genocide seven months ago, then laying off Hamas now doesn't seem to change the calculus much. Oh I'm well aware of the uninformed genocide claims that pre-dated October 7th.
May 10, 20241 yr Author 47 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Some silly/stupid folks just put it in terms of body count fyp
May 10, 20241 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: fyp yeah, that sounds like an "alternative fact" type of narrative.
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