Hand the bastiches a pulled pork sammy (should have a wrapper that says pork in every language)

If they don't wolf it down, arrest them.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Seems that went over your head

It was witty I laughed. My mind just went back to it all not being a big deal.

3 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Hand the bastiches a pulled pork sammy (should have a wrapper that says pork in every language)

If they don't wolf it down, arrest them.

Easy there Hans Landa

 

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2023/10/11/an-interview-with-a-senior-political-leader-of-hamas 

Senior political leader Moussa Abu Marzouk of Hamas interviewed by The Economist. The leader was in Doha, Qatar. 

There's no transcript, but I'm paraphrasing some of the back and forth here:

Economist: "how can you justify the atrocities that have been committed against innocent Israelis?"
Marzouk: "our fighters did not commit any atrocities. they were committed to international and moral laws. they were fighting against settlers and soldiers."
Economist: "I'm sorry, that is manifestly not true .. greatest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust"
Marzouk: "the main target was 15 military posts and the music festival was by coincidence; they were bypassers* to the festival of music"
Economist: "how can it be bypassers, when they were together in their 100s and they were clearly attacked. they were not random .. you could not have confused them with any other than innocent civilians. I'm sorry that's not credible."
Marzouk: "they were not in a music festival when the battle was begun. they were resting or sleeping, like the soldiers that have been killed in their military ports (bases?) and of course they were considered by fighters as settlers, not as tourists. I'm not sure if they knew they were knew that they were tourists and not settlers or soldiers, they would not kill them. that's why we challenge. there is one child to have been killed by al-Qassam [part of Hamas] fighters among the 1000 have been killed from the Israelis, I will not find a single child. but regarding the israelis, there have been 10s of those children that have been killed by the Israeli strikes"
Economist: "so you're saying no Israeli children were killed by the Palestinian fighters"
Marzouk: "for sure"

....

Economist: "clearly not true. we have video of families killed in their homes, at the festival, etc."
....

Economist: "could you explain to me what you were trying to achieve? how could this possibly further the Palestinian situation?"
Marzouk: "we are facing on a daily basis continuously lots of aggressions especially after the far right has controlled the Israeli government. ... they want dissolve the conflict upon four questions [hard to understand the translator] .. converting a building to a Synagogue, accordingly they are expelling Palestinians there and destroying their homes in Jerusalem, confiscating lands and building settlements over it. they want Jerusalem to be solely for the Israelis, and its' against the will of the international community and they want to dissolve the conflict in the West Bank to turn it as a land of Israel. That's why they want to increase the number of settlers to 1 million. they want also to dissolve the conflict and the future of Palestinians, that's why Netanyahu stated crystal clear that the Palestinians should not dream on their state.
Economist: "doesn't this kind of violence, massacre, close all the doors, makes it less likely that you achieve your goals"
Marzouk: "on the contrary, all the doors were closed, and this is the thing that will open the door. we know very well that the political solution is the way to achieve all the people in this region their rights, but unfortunately this is the only door we have been forced to knock."

....

Economist: "how closely is Iran involved?"
Marzlouk: "Iran has no relation with this operation."

....

Economist: "we know this is BS. we have the receipts. we don't know for sure what size role Iran had, it may have been small or large and may not have been part of the planning process, but we know there was support from Iran."

....

Economist: "let's talk a little more about why now. ... [what about] the potential normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabian? how much is that part of your calculus in the timing now to derail that process?
Marzouk: "Freedom fighters do not look on those questions at all. they planned way before the Saudi-Israeli normalization."

....

[regarding Israeli hostages]
Marzouk: "our religion, our morals, order us to keep the lives of those"
Economist: "just to be clear on your side you are categorically saying you will not kill the Israelis who are your hostages in Gaza?"
Marzouk: "for sure no"
Economist: "you called them POWs. these are - among them - are many Israeli civilians, these are not combatants. why do you not release the civilians?"
Marzouk: "it's too early to talk about this. we cannot differentiate between combatants and civilians yet."

he goes on to say they will not name a price for the hostages, but the time will come that they will and they will make demands and achieve all their goals.

....

Economist: "I hear you saying the State of Israel as a western project has no right to exist. I hear you refusing to acknowledge you have killed 100s of civilians. and I ask myself how can this situation possibly get better?"
Marzouk: "for sure there are some civilians. innocents. but it's your responsibility. and we are victims before they were victims."

...

Economist: "just to be clear, Hamas's goal.. you do not recognize the state of Israel's right to exist, correct?"
Marzouk: "sure. they have no right to exist."
Economist: "from that goal, how can you possibly expect peace? why do you insist on not allowing the existence of the state of Israel, when that makes it impossible for progress to be made? that is why you are a terrorist organization. that is why you are seen as what you are being, terrorists, and not as potential partners"
Marzouk: "we give a chance, and we agreed upon what the world had been recognized with the Palestinian Authority, and we knew before and forecasted that this process would be failed, but we agreed upon a state in the west bank and the Gaza strip. and we issued a political memorandum talking about that. but you didn't give a chance for Palestinians to create their state, beside the Israelis."
Economist: "the failure of the Oslo accords is lamentable. but in the world of today the only progress is a progress that first of all recognizes the state of Israel's right to exist and secondly is progress towards peaceful coexistence. have you given up on a 2-state solution completely? and iof you have, what is the way forward for you? it is impossible for you to eliminate the state of Israel."
Marzouk: "no it is not. on the contrary, it's the nearest way to achieve a Palestinian state."
Economist: "why do you think the state of Israel has no right to exist?"
Marzouk: "because they country is not Palestine, Palestine belongs to the Palestinians"
Economist: "and you don't care how many Palestinians are killed in the process of you pursuing this dream"
Marzouk: "of course freedom is more valuable than my life**, dignity is more valuable than life. the homeland is worth more than life."
Economist: "many would listen to that and say those are the words of a fanatic."
Marzouk: "it's up to them what they are thinking about." 

...

Economist: "do you consider this to be a victory?"
Marzouk: "the image of the Arab defeat since 1948 have been ended after the year 2000. and the Israeli can't defeat the Palestinian. the wars of 2008, 2012, are significant proof. "

....

Economist: "do you think it will be better for the Palestinians? will it be better for Palestinian civilians after one year?"
Marzouk: "yes"
Economist: "let's meet again in one year. I find that hard to believe."
Marzouk: "I promise"
Economist: "I don't think violence and fanaticism..."
Marzouk: "I'd like to live in peace.. really.."
Economist: "really? I find that hard to believe."
Marzouk: "really. to gut the beast they have to fight."

 

 

 

* this is verbatim, but I take it to mean "wrong place wrong time people" 
** he says, from the comfort of Doha, Qatar.

Cut his Fing head off

1 hour ago, Bill said:

US embassy in Lebanon is being evacuated and the state department advised all US citizens to leave the country. 

US and allies warn militant group Hezbollah against escalating Hamas-Israel conflict

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-allies-warn-militant-group-100833756.html

A terror attack this effective is going to embolden others. The use of ultralights is a disturbing twist.

this whole thing is weird, i could've sworn the last guy's administration brought a peace to the middle east that the world has never seen before, and it would last for a millennia. 

5 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

this whole thing is weird, i could've sworn the last guy's administration brought a peace to the middle east that the world has never seen before, and it would last for a millennia. 

Really?   You woke this morning and decided this is the dumbassery youd post?

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Really?   You woke this morning and decided this is the dumbassery youd post?

butthurt that quickly are you ? 

9 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

this whole thing is weird, i could've sworn the last guy's administration brought a peace to the middle east that the world has never seen before, and it would last for a millennia. 

It would have but then the re election was stolen from him

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

butthurt that quickly are you ? 

It doesn't take long to identify a steaming hot pile of ish post

Bernnie Sanders is saying Israel is violating international law with the blockade. Buckle up if you are pissed about that. They are going back to tents at this rate if they even let them stay.

 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

It doesn't take long to identify a steaming hot pile of ish post

defend ya boy !

1 hour ago, Bill said:

 

Such great movies just re watched them

2 minutes ago, paco said:

It would have but then the re election was stolen from him

and with it, peace. 

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

It doesn't take long to identify a steaming hot pile of ish post

Where you are on "NOT. OUR. WAR." these days, Mike?

 not sure if this was posted already, if so sorry for the repost. I missed the first half of this thread and I'm not reading through that. 

5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Where you are on "NOT. OUR. WAR." these days, Mike?

Ive been waiting by the phone for that Iran deal to be re-implemented. Hows that going?

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Ive been waiting by the phone for that Iran deal to be re-implemented. Hows that going?

Where are you on "NOT. OUR. WAR." these days, Mike?

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Where are you on "NOT. OUR. WAR." these days, Mike?

I dont want to send our troops there, thats for sure.

Americans were killed in this attack.   How about we send them 1/10th of what we sent Ukraine?

 

So now tell me, hows Robert Malley been doing?  Has he prevented Iran from acquiring the nuke that Trump "handed them?". Is imagine he'd have to work very, VERY close with the Iranians to make that happen. Any updates?

18 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Bernnie Sanders is saying Israel is violating international law with the blockade. Buckle up if you are pissed about that. They are going back to tents at this rate if they even let them stay.

 

Grant laid seige to Vicksburg for 47 days. No food or water was allowed in. Re-supply was blocked. The Confederates utimately gave their unconditional surrender. Now, Grant was not at war with Vicksburg citizens. But yet the siege worked. Lincoln hailed it at as a great success as the Mississippi came under Union control once again. They did shell the city but no troops entered the city. 

I guess in Bernies world, Grant is a war criminal and they should have just let the Confederates win becase of the harm to civilians.

Can anyone name a war where civilians were not killed? 

9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 not sure if this was posted already, if so sorry for the repost. I missed the first half of this thread and I'm not reading through that. 

So..... did she get arrested?

If we need to send Israel 3% of our defense budget to squash Hamas, it'll likewise be money well spent. 

10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I dont want to send our troops there, thats for sure.

Americans were killed in this attack.   How about we send them 1/10th of what we sent Ukraine?

Biden agrees with you that we shouldn't put boots on the ground...unless of course Biden visits the area and then of course you'll accuse them of putting boots on the ground since the CiC has put his shoes literally on the ground.

How about we aid them as they need it since they're our ally in a strategic region and they were attacked by a brutal authoritarian regime?  Works for Ukraine too, unless you think Ukrainian women and children aren't worth our time.

18 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Grant laid seige to Vicksburg for 47 days. No food or water was allowed in. Re-supply was blocked. The Confederates utimately gave their unconditional surrender. Now, Grant was not at war with Vicksburg citizens. But yet the siege worked. Lincoln hailed it at as a great success as the Mississippi came under Union control once again. They did shell the city but no troops entered the city. 

I guess in Bernies world, Grant is a war criminal and they should have just let the Confederates win becase of the harm to civilians.

Can anyone name a war where civilians were not killed? 

I wish we lived in a world where children were never hurt by anything. We obviously don't, and I realize I won a lottery being born in the US. Hamas is using women and children as human shields and Israel doesn't care at this point. They said get out and they mean it. Where can impoverished people go? I have no idea, but that area is going to change. 

Also, I'm not sure how free their elections are, but their citizens have voted Hamas in power for a long time knowing what they are, just like the lady in the video above.