May 17, 20241 yr I think this might be the least "both sides'd" topic in CVON/general public I've seen in a long time, anyone else notice that? Pretty much everyone has a strong stance on one side or the other. Dr Philly? Care to weigh in as the resident expert?
May 17, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I think this might be the least "both sides'd" topic in CVON/general public I've seen in a long time, anyone else notice that? Pretty much everyone has a strong stance on one side or the other. Agreed. On one side you have people sticking up for the innocent women and children. And on the other side you have the pro Hamas crowd.
May 17, 20241 yr 50 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I think this might be the least "both sides'd" topic in CVON/general public I've seen in a long time, anyone else notice that? Pretty much everyone has a strong stance on one side or the other. Both sides have a very strong stance, yes
May 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: I think this might be the least "both sides'd" topic in CVON/general public I've seen in a long time, anyone else notice that? Pretty much everyone has a strong stance on one side or the other. Dr Philly? Care to weigh in as the resident expert? Both sides have a strong thirst for revenge, they have that in common.
May 17, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Both sides have a strong thirst for revenge, they have that in common. I'm not even talking about the participants. That makes sense that in any conflict both sides demonize the other. I'm more talking about opinions of people not involved and in the US. It seems as if most people either think Hamas are terrorists and Palestinians prop them up and Israel should use any means necessary to wipe them out, or that Israel is commiting genocide using terrorism as an excuse to further their expansion. Hell abortion has more gray area in opinions at this point.
May 17, 20241 yr 47 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: I'm not even talking about the participants. That makes sense that in any conflict both sides demonize the other. I'm more talking about opinions of people not involved and in the US. It seems as if most people either think Hamas are terrorists and Palestinians prop them up and Israel should use any means necessary to wipe them out, or that Israel is commiting genocide using terrorism as an excuse to further their expansion. Hell abortion has more gray area in opinions at this point. U.S. politicians tend to be pro-Israel. Sure you can find a few random representatives who are not. But by and large they support Israel regardless of the optics.
May 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: I'm not even talking about the participants. That makes sense that in any conflict both sides demonize the other. I'm more talking about opinions of people not involved and in the US. It seems as if most people either think Hamas are terrorists and Palestinians prop them up and Israel should use any means necessary to wipe them out, or that Israel is commiting genocide using terrorism as an excuse to further their expansion. Hell abortion has more gray area in opinions at this point. There's a 3rd side that's pretty sizable that I think you are ignoring. The side that thinks Israel should wipe Hamas out while taking precautions to mitigate civilian deaths but also understanding that civilian deaths are a tragic reality of war. And also understanding that the way Hamas embeds themselves into the civilian population and into the civilian infrastructure makes it that much harder to minimize civilian deaths.
May 17, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said: Both sides have a very strong stance, yes I'll take a pox on both houses for $400 Alex.
May 17, 20241 yr And then there is the side that thinks there is an acceptable level of innocents being murdered as long as revenge is achieved. Or justice, or any other way people try to justify murder. Israel’s disregard for Palestinian lives didn’t just start after 10/7. They have a long history of destroying entire neighborhoods and using the excuse they were going after bad people. Right wing settlers in illegal settlements shoot at Palestinian children on the way to schools enough that the IDF had to escort the kids. Does that excuse 10/7? Of course not. But someone who had their lands and livelihood taken from them can use the excuse of revenge as well. Someone who had an innocent loved one murdered can use the excuse of justice.
May 17, 20241 yr Author 5 hours ago, DEagle7 said: I think this might be the least "both sides'd" topic in CVON/general public I've seen in a long time, anyone else notice that? Pretty much everyone has a strong stance on one side or the other. Dr Philly? Care to weigh in as the resident expert? 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: There's a 3rd side that's pretty sizable that I think you are ignoring. The side that thinks Israel should wipe Hamas out while taking precautions to mitigate civilian deaths but also understanding that civilian deaths are a tragic reality of war. And also understanding that the way Hamas embeds themselves into the civilian population and into the civilian infrastructure makes it that much harder to minimize civilian deaths.
May 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: U.S. politicians tend to be pro-Israel. Sure you can find a few random representatives who are not. But by and large they support Israel regardless of the optics. You do realize that by and large, the Arab people in their native lands do not like the U.S. During WWII, Arabs in large part support the Axis.
May 17, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, Procus said: You do realize that by and large, the Arab people in their native lands do not like the U.S. During WWII, Arabs in large part support the Axis. No they didn’t. Which countries specifically? Because I’m sure we can all easily google it. Jewish folks started moving to the Middle East in greater numbers in the late 1800s because they were discriminated against in Europe and the Ottoman Empire was in decline.
May 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: There's a 3rd side that's pretty sizable that I think you are ignoring. The side that thinks Israel should wipe Hamas out while taking precautions to mitigate civilian deaths but also understanding that civilian deaths are a tragic reality of war. And also understanding that the way Hamas embeds themselves into the civilian population and into the civilian infrastructure makes it that much harder to minimize civilian deaths. Eh that third side seems to always put an awful lot of qualifiers in there to give Israel an ton of leeway in their actions. I'll put it this way, I don't see a lot of those third side people criticizing Israel's tactics much at all. I'm sure there are some but in general it seems like it's largely considered justified by the more pro Israel demographic whereas the critiques largely come from the I❤️ Hamas NYU campus tent dwellers. 24 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Cop out
May 17, 20241 yr Author 23 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Eh that third side seems to always put an awful lot of qualifiers in there to give Israel an ton of leeway in their actions. I'll put it this way, I don't see a lot of those third side people criticizing Israel's tactics much at all. I'm sure there are some but in general it seems like it's largely considered justified by the more pro Israel demographic whereas the critiques largely come from the I❤️ Hamas NYU campus tent dwellers. Cop out I’ll write something tomorrow. I’m deep on wine and an edible and not in position to add anything.
May 17, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: I’ll write something tomorrow. I’m deep on wine and an edible and not in position to add anything. You don't have to. It's just been awhile since I've busted your balls abd its less depressing than talking about the middle east
May 17, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: No they didn’t. Which countries specifically? Because I’m sure we can all easily google it. Jewish folks started moving to the Middle East in greater numbers in the late 1800s because they were discriminated against in Europe and the Ottoman Empire was in decline. Well, here's the most famous one - the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Yasser Arafat's uncle) and Hitler were buddies. as well as Iraq FDR famously courted the Saudis and secured their friendship. Other Arab states were not independent at the time Iran, while not an Arab country, under the last Shah's father, supported the Axis https://www.howardblum.com/blog-posts/reza-shah-and-adolf-hitler-irans-history-with-the-third-reich Islamists in general were supporters of the Axis https://www.fpri.org/article/2021/08/islamists-as-partners-in-world-war-ii/ So in effect @Dave Moss, you align yourself with those who supported the Natsies during WWII.
May 17, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, Procus said: Well, here's the most famous one - the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Yasser Arafat's uncle) and Hitler were buddies. as well as Iraq FDR famously courted the Saudis and secured their friendship. Other Arab states were not independent at the time Iran, while not an Arab country, under the last Shah's father, supported the Axis https://www.howardblum.com/blog-posts/reza-shah-and-adolf-hitler-irans-history-with-the-third-reich Islamists in general were supporters of the Axis https://www.fpri.org/article/2021/08/islamists-as-partners-in-world-war-ii/ So in effect @Dave Moss, you align yourself with those who supported the Natsies during WWII. Iran didn’t support the Axis. They declared neutrality. Any others?
May 17, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Iran didn’t support the Axis. They declared neutrality. Any others? The shah of Iran (Reza Pahlavi's father) was removed because he supported the Axis.
May 17, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Procus said: The shah of Iran (Reza Pahlavi's father) was removed because he supported the Axis. A justification for the British occupying that country more than likely. British Petroleum (BP) wanted access to Iranian oil for the war effort.
May 17, 20241 yr 48 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: A justification for the British occupying that country more than likely. British Petroleum (BP) wanted access to Iranian oil for the war effort. And your thoughts on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem's relationship with Hitler?
May 17, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Even Netanyahu says the number of deaths is over 30,000. Propagandists like you and some of the other folks here just have an agenda You calling anyone a propagandist is peak irony
May 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: No they didn’t. Which countries specifically? Because I’m sure we can all easily google it. Jewish folks started moving to the Middle East in greater numbers in the late 1800s because they were discriminated against in Europe and the Ottoman Empire was in decline. Procus is actually right on this, Lawd I feel dirty
May 18, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, DEagle7 said: I think this might be the least "both sides'd" topic in CVON/general public I've seen in a long time, anyone else notice that? Pretty much everyone has a strong stance on one side or the other. Dr Philly? Care to weigh in as the resident expert? I’m probably the most "both sides” in here, I think. Hamas — obvious terrorists who target civilians. Israel can genocide them for all I care. Israel — Scum bag country that screws us at every opportunity. Burned all their good will with their scorched earth policy.
May 18, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: There's a 3rd side that's pretty sizable that I think you are ignoring. The side that thinks Israel should wipe Hamas out while taking precautions to mitigate civilian deaths but also understanding that civilian deaths are a tragic reality of war. And also understanding that the way Hamas embeds themselves into the civilian population and into the civilian infrastructure makes it that much harder to minimize civilian deaths. Yeah, this.
May 18, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: No they didn’t. Which countries specifically? Because I’m sure we can all easily google it. Jewish folks started moving to the Middle East in greater numbers in the late 1800s because they were discriminated against in Europe and the Ottoman Empire was in decline. What side was the Ottoman Empire on in WW1 Dave?
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