May 20, 20241 yr The United States and Saudi Arabia are "days away" from concluding the documents that would forge a historic bilateral agreement that has long been a top priority for President Joe Biden as it would begin a parallel track to normalize relations between the Kingdom and Israel, a source very familiar with the matter told CBS News on Sunday. A U.S. official confirmed that a lot of progress was made Saturday in a meeting between National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, a city in the kingdom's far east that's home to its state-run oil giant, the Saudi Arabian Oil Co. known as Saudi Aramco https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/us-saudi-arabia-near-potentially-historic-security-deal/
May 20, 20241 yr Author 10 hours ago, lynched1 said: Might be a damn good time to drain Harvard's gene pool. These Fers gotta go. @Dave Moss Do you have your revolution papers in order?
May 20, 20241 yr On 5/16/2024 at 3:11 PM, Gannan said: I know when I think of Hamas, the first thing I think of are intelligent, reasonable people always willing to sit down and negotiate with Israel. Ironically, when it comes to self preservation, even the most deathy of death cults out there prefers survival than a complete erasure of themselves and their ideas. Ergo, once Hamas are erased from Gaza, it will likely be very hard for them to grow as they did (for various reasons). So negotiating a level of peace is preferable than complete deletion. "Live to fight another day" On 5/16/2024 at 5:08 PM, vikas83 said: The correct after war plan likely needs the Israeli people to vote out Netanyahu. Here's how I think it should go. 1. Israel completes the operation in Rafah and cripples Hamas. The hostages are returned (or more sadly their bodies), and Hamas is removed from leadership in Gaza. Hopefully the leaders of Hamas are turned over to face trial in Israel (similar to Eichmann). 2. The Israelis hand over security of Gaza to an Arab coalition lead by Saudi Arabia and Jordan. The Saudis and Jordanians won't tolerate Hamas' resurgence. 3. A summit with all the regional players is called to devise a long term plan for a 2 state solution. The PA represents both Gaza and the West Bank. Have the Saudis, Egyptians and Jordanians at the table. The basic structure would have to include the dismantling of the Israeli settlements in the West Bank, which is why Netanyahu will need to be gone in the medium to long term. The real key here is will the Arab countries play a role in guaranteeing both Palestinian and Israeli security -- for the 1st time, that seems possible. Hamas needs to be destroyed and held accountable for this to move forward. Then likely Netanyahu needs to be voted out. But there is an actual path here. Iran are the unspoken missing part in this. No 2 state solution will survive for the long term without their proxies Hezbollah and Hamas being kept far away from troublemaking. Any solution will need consider Lebanon as that may become the next hot spot. And of course, Israel will have to agree to conditions too - no deal should be that 1 sided,
May 20, 20241 yr The latest ICC proclamation is going down like a bag of cold sick in Israel: Why would the ICC look to inflame the current situation?
May 20, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, UK Eagle said: Ironically, when it comes to self preservation, even the most deathy of death cults out there prefers survival than a complete erasure of themselves and their ideas. Ergo, once Hamas are erased from Gaza, it will likely be very hard for them to grow as they did (for various reasons). So negotiating a level of peace is preferable than complete deletion. "Live to fight another day" Iran are the unspoken missing part in this. No 2 state solution will survive for the long term without their proxies Hezbollah and Hamas being kept far away from troublemaking. Any solution will need consider Lebanon as that may become the next hot spot. And of course, Israel will have to agree to conditions too - no deal should be that 1 sided, The problem with Iran is that they are always trying to get the Mahdi to return from a well in Qom. They will continue to destabilize the region until that happens or the Imams are removed from power.
May 20, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, UK Eagle said: The latest ICC proclamation is going down like a bag of cold sick in Israel: Why would the ICC look to inflame the current situation? Because the ICC is a tool for S Africa's redemption arc.
May 20, 20241 yr https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/netanyahu-arrest-warrant-israel-hamas-war-icc-rcna149743 International Criminal Court prosecutor applies for arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas leader Sinwar Israel’s leadership had been working through diplomatic channels to prevent the issuance of warrants from the ICC, an Israeli official told NBC News in April.
May 20, 20241 yr Thel main reason why this is a doomed enterprise is that there is no attempt by Israel to win hearts and minds of the Palestinian people, which is the folly of war against any insurgency. Take Iraq, for example, which I guess you could consider a relatively successful example of crushing an insurgency. There was a concerted effort to protect civilians, isolate the terrorists, and destroy them. There was a massive effort to rebuild civilian infrastructure and educate displaced peoples on a plan to construct a better life for them. Israel's approach has been essentially the inverse.
May 20, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Thel main reason why this is a doomed enterprise is that there is no attempt by Israel to win hearts and minds of the Palestinian people, which is the folly of war against any insurgency. Take Iraq, for example, which I guess you could consider a relatively successful example of crushing an insurgency. There was a concerted effort to protect civilians, isolate the terrorists, and destroy them. There was a massive effort to rebuild civilian infrastructure and educate displaced peoples on a plan to construct a better life for them. Israel's approach has been essentially the inverse. The folly Is thinking you can win them over to begin with. War first. The way to win is then rebuild it and capture the minds of future generations by giving them a better experience. Its a 30-60 year plan
May 21, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Thel main reason why this is a doomed enterprise is that there is no attempt by Israel to win hearts and minds of the Palestinian people, which is the folly of war against any insurgency. Take Iraq, for example, which I guess you could consider a relatively successful example of crushing an insurgency. There was a concerted effort to protect civilians, isolate the terrorists, and destroy them. There was a massive effort to rebuild civilian infrastructure and educate displaced peoples on a plan to construct a better life for them. Israel's approach has been essentially the inverse. I don't think you understand the concept of war. By and large, the population of Gaza hates Israel and was cheering on October 7. You fight a war to defeat an enemy, not to win their hearts and minds. In WWII, what attempt was there by the allies to win the hearts and minds of the German people? You defeat your enemy and then you root out radicalism the way the allies did with de-Nazification in Germany and similarly in Japan. First step is to defeat your enemy - complete victory.
May 21, 20241 yr 32 minutes ago, Procus said: I don't think you understand the concept of war. By and large, the population of Gaza hates Israel and was cheering on October 7. You fight a war to defeat an enemy, not to win their hearts and minds. In WWII, what attempt was there by the allies to win the hearts and minds of the German people? You defeat your enemy and then you root out radicalism the way the allies did with de-Nazification in Germany and similarly in Japan. First step is to defeat your enemy - complete victory. That wasn't an insurgency.
May 21, 20241 yr A lot of posters here don’t seem to understand the fundamental differences between two nation-states at war and a country going after terrorists. WWII is not relevant to the current situation.
May 21, 20241 yr Author 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: A lot of posters here don’t seem to understand the fundamental differences between two nation-states at war and a country going after terrorists. WWII is not relevant to the current situation. Is it a) a country going after terrorists OR b) a genocide OR c) a country taking on the Ottoman Empire pick one
May 21, 20241 yr On 5/19/2024 at 11:19 PM, DaEagles4Life said: The United States and Saudi Arabia are "days away" from concluding the documents that would forge a historic bilateral agreement that has long been a top priority for President Joe Biden as it would begin a parallel track to normalize relations between the Kingdom and Israel, a source very familiar with the matter told CBS News on Sunday. A U.S. official confirmed that a lot of progress was made Saturday in a meeting between National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, a city in the kingdom's far east that's home to its state-run oil giant, the Saudi Arabian Oil Co. known as Saudi Aramco https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/us-saudi-arabia-near-potentially-historic-security-deal/ Reports are that King Salman was recently admitted to the hospital with pneumonia. Others say he's dead. If these reports of a rapprochement between Israel and Saudi Arabia are true, wouldn't surprise me if the King's imminent (or recent) demise has something to do with it.
May 21, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, Dave Moss said: A lot of posters here don’t seem to understand the fundamental differences between two nation-states at war and a country going after terrorists. WWII is not relevant to the current situation. Pause. Did you just admit Hamas are terrorists?
May 21, 20241 yr 21 hours ago, ToastJenkins said: The folly Is thinking you can win them over to begin with. War first. The way to win is then rebuild it and capture the minds of future generations by giving them a better experience. Its a 30-60 year plan Which hasn't been started yet, and looks as if it never will.
May 21, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, paco said: Pause. Did you just admit Hamas are terrorists? uh oh, dave must be chasing his tail, i mean, doing some soul searching after that admission.
May 21, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: uh oh, dave must be chasing his tail, i mean, doing some soul searching after that admission. @Dave Moss explaining why you should support Hamas despite being terrorists
May 21, 20241 yr Author 5 minutes ago, paco said: @Dave Moss explaining why you should support Hamas despite being terrorists My goodness there is a lot of ugly in that pic. An ugly tie between Moss and the tie.
May 21, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: Which hasn't been started yet, and looks as if it never will. Have to resect the cancer first
May 21, 20241 yr https://apnews.com/article/live-transmission-israel-associated-press-57e8f662907334ba3599156276381190?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share Israeli officials seize AP equipment and take down live shot of northern Gaza, citing new media law Quote JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli officials seized a camera and broadcasting equipment belonging to The Associated Press in southern Israel on Tuesday, accusing the news organization of violating a new media law by providing images to Al Jazeera. The Qatari satellite channel is among thousands of clients that receive live video feeds from the AP and other news organizations. The AP denounced the move. "The Associated Press decries in the strongest terms the actions of the Israeli government to shut down our longstanding live feed showing a view into Gaza and seize AP equipment,” said Lauren Easton, vice president of corporate communications at the news organization. "The shutdown was not based on the content of the feed but rather an abusive use by the Israeli government of the country’s new foreign broadcaster law. We urge the Israeli authorities to return our equipment and enable us to reinstate our live feed immediately so we can continue to provide this important visual journalism to thousands of media outlets around the world.” Officials from the Communications Ministry arrived at the AP location in the southern town of Sderot on Tuesday afternoon and seized the equipment. They handed the AP a piece of paper, signed by Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, alleging it was violating the country’s foreign broadcaster law. Shortly before, the equipment was broadcasting a general view of northern Gaza. The AP complies with Israel’s military censorship rules, which prohibit broadcasts of details like troops movements that could endanger soldiers. The live shot has generally shown smoke rising over the territory. The seizure followed a verbal order Thursday to cease the live transmission — which the news organization refused to do. "In accordance with the government decision and the instruction of the communications minister, the communications ministry will continue to take whatever enforcement action is required to limit broadcasts that harm the security of the state,” the ministry said in a statement. Israel’s opposition leader Yair Lapid called the move "an act of madness.” "This is not Al Jazeera. This is an American news outlet,” he said. "This government acts as if it has decided to make sure at any cost that Israel will be shunned all over the world.” Israel’s communications minister, Shlomo Karhi responded that the law, passed unanimously by the government, stated that any device used to deliver Al Jazeera content could be seized. "We will continue to act decisively against anyone who tries to harm our soldiers and the security of the state, even if you don’t like it,” he wrote to Lapid on X. Israeli officials used the law to close down the offices of the Qatar-based broadcaster on May 5 and confiscated the channel’s equipment, banned its broadcasts, and blocked its websites.
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