Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

 I genuinely have no idea what your issue is with me on this, but whatever it may be, I feel pretty vindicated by the fact you're agreeing with WV Mike and Kz about it.  

K

1 minute ago, paco said:

You bringing the step stool or is he providing his own?

I'm bringing a pint of Astroglide and a Scissor Sisters mix tape

4 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

I'm bringing a pint of Astroglide and a Scissor Sisters mix tape

These two have a mix tape?

IDF tells families of 4 Israeli hostages held in Gaza ‘they are no longer alive’

 

 

 

On 6/3/2024 at 4:01 PM, paco said:

IDF tells families of 4 Israeli hostages held in Gaza ‘they are no longer alive’

 

genocide

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11 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

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Agreed.  Terrorists taking hostages and killing hostages is eye rolling.

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Agreed.  Terrorists taking hostages and killing hostages is eye rolling.

zero compassion for the dead. sad to see. 

 

hey, at least we didn't get one of the moss, passive aggressive deflection responses. 

It was an eyeroll at the dissmissively sarcastic "genocide" remark. Look, at this point, I think using that term is probably not serving that side well, but really, it's turning into an argument about semantics when the situation is just deplorable no matter what you call it.

Semi-genocide? Quasi-genocide? Pseudo-genocide? I mean, it really is coming down to just arguing about a term and missing the forest through the trees. What Israel has been doing to these people is pretty horrific and not something that the U.S. should be enabling.

But I'll play the game...

Genocide: A coordinated plan of different actions targeted with the following objectives:

1) Disintegration of culture,
e.g., Israel’s destruction of museums, libraries and artifacts throughout Gaza.
2) Disintegration of the economic existence of national groups,
e.g., Israel’s decade-long sea, land & air blockade of essential items to Gaza.
3) Destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity,
e.g., Israel’s establishment of secondary citizenship and denial of citizenship to Palestinian Arabs.
4) Disintegration of the political and social institutions,
e.g., Israel’s destruction of Gaza schools, churches, mosques, clinics & hospitals
5) Disintegration of language, national feelings, religion
eg Israel’s demonization of Islam & dehumanization of Palestinians.
6) Death to individuals belonging to the targeted group*.
e.g., Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of Gaza residential areas, deliberate starvation of civilians in Gaza.

Recent history:

Killed 37,000 people in Gaza, including 23,000+ women, children & infants
Killed and wounded are over over 120,000 people in Gaza to date
Left thousands decomposing under rubble or bulldozed into mass graves

In addition ,
Displaced 95% of the population
Targeted/bombed refugee camps
Killed over 135 journalists
Destroyed/damage 100+ press facilities
Destroyed 100,000+ residences
Destroyed 1,100+ industrial facilities
Damaged/destroyd 260+ schools
Damaged/destroyed 6 churches
Damaged/destroyed 90+ mosques
Razed/desecrated numerous cemeteries
Injured/wounded 4000+ doctors & medical staff
Targeted 55 clinics
Targeted 34 of 36 hospitals
Targeted 36 ambulances & ambulance convoys

Destroyed infrastructure, farms, businesses, schools, libraries, museums, university, water supply, roads, stores, residences.

Now we're beginning the disease, dehydration and starvation stage.

Killed and/or incarcerated thousands in the West Bank with the intent of driving them out.

Blocked food, water, sanitation and medical supplies to civilians throughout Gaza.

Idk, whether it fits the patented definition of genocide or not, but it at least seems pretty genocide-y, and that's enough to say the U.S. should probably back away from this clusterf***. Reasonable at least for American taxpayers to say that they don't want to fund/supply this operation.

 im going to let the posters that dealt with those numbers before, have the privilege of doing it again. 

It'll be something about "Urban warfare typically has a percentage of civilian deaths," ignoring the fact that this has been an extremely disproportionate response for what happened on October 7 and the ultimate reality that Netanyahoo and his ilk truly would wish to wipe out/expel this entire population.

20 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

It was an eyeroll at the dissmissively sarcastic "genocide" remark. Look, at this point, I think using that term is probably not serving that side well, but really, it's turning into an argument about semantics when the situation is just deplorable no matter what you call it.

Semi-genocide? Quasi-genocide? Pseudo-genocide? I mean, it really is coming down to just arguing about a term and missing the forest through the trees. What Israel has been doing to these people is pretty horrific and not something that the U.S. should be enabling.

But I'll play the game...

Genocide: A coordinated plan of different actions targeted with the following objectives:

1) Disintegration of culture,
e.g., Israel’s destruction of museums, libraries and artifacts throughout Gaza.
2) Disintegration of the economic existence of national groups,
e.g., Israel’s decade-long sea, land & air blockade of essential items to Gaza.
3) Destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity,
e.g., Israel’s establishment of secondary citizenship and denial of citizenship to Palestinian Arabs.
4) Disintegration of the political and social institutions,
e.g., Israel’s destruction of Gaza schools, churches, mosques, clinics & hospitals
5) Disintegration of language, national feelings, religion
eg Israel’s demonization of Islam & dehumanization of Palestinians.
6) Death to individuals belonging to the targeted group*.
e.g., Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of Gaza residential areas, deliberate starvation of civilians in Gaza.

Recent history:

Killed 37,000 people in Gaza, including 23,000+ women, children & infants
Killed and wounded are over over 120,000 people in Gaza to date
Left thousands decomposing under rubble or bulldozed into mass graves

In addition ,
Displaced 95% of the population
Targeted/bombed refugee camps
Killed over 135 journalists
Destroyed/damage 100+ press facilities
Destroyed 100,000+ residences
Destroyed 1,100+ industrial facilities
Damaged/destroyd 260+ schools
Damaged/destroyed 6 churches
Damaged/destroyed 90+ mosques
Razed/desecrated numerous cemeteries
Injured/wounded 4000+ doctors & medical staff
Targeted 55 clinics
Targeted 34 of 36 hospitals
Targeted 36 ambulances & ambulance convoys

Destroyed infrastructure, farms, businesses, schools, libraries, museums, university, water supply, roads, stores, residences.

Now we're beginning the disease, dehydration and starvation stage.

Killed and/or incarcerated thousands in the West Bank with the intent of driving them out.

Blocked food, water, sanitation and medical supplies to civilians throughout Gaza.

Idk, whether it fits the patented definition of genocide or not, but it at least seems pretty genocide-y, and that's enough to say the U.S. should probably back away from this clusterf***. Reasonable at least for American taxpayers to say that they don't want to fund/supply this operation.

Moss and friends don’t use it seriously/correctly, why should anyone else?

Also, TL;DR:loleyeroll 

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Also, TL;DR:loleyeroll 

 

Yeah, because it's inconvenient to your insensitivity.

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Yeah, because it's inconvenient to your insensitivity.

Nah.  I read far enough to know it was just a long winded, nonsensical support for a lack of sensibility.  

1 minute ago, paco said:

Nah.  I read far enough to know it was just long winded nonsensical support for a lack of sensibility.  

Yeah, totally sensible to reap total destruction on an entire ethnic group and their infrastructure.

On 5/16/2024 at 9:41 AM, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I never said civilians wouldn't be killed, but there seems to be little effort being made to avoid civlians deaths at the level we're seeing and even active resistance to the humanitarian efforts necessary to care for the displaced populations.

 

On 5/16/2024 at 2:13 PM, Phillyterp85 said:

Yes this talking point has been repeated many times but unfortunately for those repeating it, the data says otherwise.  

In typical urban warfare, civilians account for 67-90% of the total fatalities.   This means that for every single enemy combatant killed, there's typically 2 to 9 civilians killed.  

The civilian casualty rate in this conflict has so far been in the 50-60% rate.   So lower than the low end of typical urban warfare.  This is even more noteworthy when you consider how densely populated Gaza is and how the enemy hides among the civilian infrastructure.  

So how is there "little effort" being made to avoid civilian deaths when the civilian death rate is lower than typical urban warfare settings?  Is Israel just lucky?  

 

On 5/16/2024 at 3:46 PM, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Fair points

 

13 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

It'll be something about "Urban warfare typically has a percentage of civilian deaths," ignoring the fact that this has been an extremely disproportionate response for what happened on October 7 and the ultimate reality that Netanyahoo and his ilk truly would wish to wipe out/expel this entire population.

 

On 5/16/2024 at 11:08 AM, Alpha_TATEr said:

not that israel is completely innocent, but it doesn't work both ways equally. the jewish people do not raise their children to with the mantra of "from the river to the sea." 

again, that doesn't mean you won't have israeli aholes like the ones f'ng with the humanitarian aid, but i think it's a stretch to try and present it as an equal situation. 

 

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

Yeah, totally sensible to reap total destruction on an entire terrorist group and their infrastructure.

It is as long as you try to minimize collateral damage, which the IDF has done.*

 

 

*FYP loleyeroll

16 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

It'll be something about "Urban warfare typically has a percentage of civilian deaths," ignoring the fact that this has been an extremely disproportionate response for what happened on October 7 and the ultimate reality that Netanyahoo and his ilk truly would wish to wipe out/expel this entire population.

How many October 7's should be permitted?

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The ones prosecuting this war ARE those Israeli a-holes and the type that DO want to completely overtake the region and eliminate the Palestinians from it.

1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said:

How many October 7's should be permitted?

I think that Israel has more than nullified their capacity to do so right now. If you think the only solution to that is by wiping out the entire Palestinian population, then that really is no solution at all.

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

The ones prosecuting this war ARE those Israeli a-holes and the type that DO want to completely overtake the region and eliminate the Palestinians from it.

oh stop. it's called war. 

 

again, jews arent raised on "from the river to the sea" ... 

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

oh stop. it's called war. 

Yeah, more dismissiveness when pinned down. At this point, the disproportionality makes it an unjust war. If it was the other way around and this was happening to Israelis, you'd be appalled. It's pretty clear that Israeli lives are just more valuable to most posters in here than Palestinian lives.

6 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

The ones prosecuting this war ARE those Israeli a-holes and the type that DO want to completely overtake the region and eliminate the Palestinians from it.

 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

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6 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Yeah, more dismissiveness when pinned down. At this point, the disproportionality makes it an unjust war. If it was the other way around and this was happening to Israelis, you'd be appalled. It's pretty clear that Israeli lives are just more valuable to most posters in here than Palestinian lives.

You mean like dismissiveness like only addressing half of his reply?

 

loleyeroll