18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The children are our future...and we are completely screwed. An entire generation taught by ideological warrior idiots.

 

 

Humanity sure deserves everything coming to us.

36 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

But I'm sure people will explain to us how this is Israel continuing a genocide and Hamas is blameless. 

 

they will spin it that Hamas "agreed" to a proposal; but they completely changed terms and said "this is what we will agree to".

basically the parameters of the US deal included Palestinians holding democratic elections to form a new government but that Hamas would not be allowed to be part of it. 

instead they said "no we get all the land, and stay in power. we agree to that."

33 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The children are our future...and we are completely screwed. An entire generation taught by ideological warrior idiots.

 

The real fascists…embed their ideology in the students

Remember kids, it's not about anti-Semitism...

 

 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

False.  I was told on here that it's Israel that is prolonging the war because they want genocides!

Remember, it's totally not about anti-Semitism. It's about settlements, and colonizers, and the Ottoman Empire...

 

15 minutes ago, paco said:

False.  I was told on here that it's Israel that is prolonging the war because they want genocides!

Who told you that?

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Who told you that?

Admit it to yourself Dave.  You enjoy touching tips with the likes of KZ and Lynched.

So frustrating, why won't the terrorists just be reasonable??

30 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Who told you that?

  

On 6/6/2024 at 1:45 AM, Dave Moss said:

Israel doesn’t want a cease-fire agreement.

 

27 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Admit it to yourself Dave.  You enjoy touching tips with the likes of KZ and Lynched.

No thanks freak

6 minutes ago, paco said:

  

 

Israel doesn’t want a cease-fire agreement.  But that’s not necessarily to prolong a genocide.  They want to keep going after Hamas.

7 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Israel doesn’t want a cease-fire agreement.  But that’s not necessarily to prolong a genocide.  They want to keep going after Hamas.

Dave explaining how Israel wants to do genocide, doesn't want a cease fire, but how the two are unrelated

 

 

 

 

OR.... are you moving away from your "Israel wants genocide!" mantra?

1 minute ago, paco said:

Dave explaining how Israel wants to do genocide, doesn't want a cease fire, but how the two are unrelated

 

 

 

 

OR.... are you moving away from your "Israel wants genocide!" mantra?

Even people like AOC are dialing it back some now, as the useful idiots are starting to see the company they are keeping. Dave is just following orders.

10 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Israel doesn’t want a cease-fire agreement.  But that’s not necessarily to prolong a genocide.  They want to keep going after Hamas.

so.. going after Hamas = genocide? dude. come on.

3 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

 

 

On 6/6/2024 at 7:43 PM, Phillyterp85 said:

Your point?  Yes, aholes exist everywhere.  

These particular aholes are found on the ends of that horseshoe.

19 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

so.. going after Hamas = genocide? dude. come on.

Wait, so you think Israel wants a cease-fire?

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

My point is the far right and the far left are a lot closer on a lot of issues these days than they've been in a really long time.  Hating Jews is one of them.  Which is both incredibly F'd up and kind of a reason for hope.  After the election, hopefully there's a reckoning on both sides.

5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

My point is the far right and the far left are a lot closer on a lot of issues these days than they've been in a really long time.  Hating Jews is one of them.  Which is both incredibly F'd up and kind of a reason for hope.  After the election, hopefully there's a reckoning on both sides.

 

Oh, they definitely are. Both sides are easily swayed to authoritarianism and bigorty, and those lying somewhere closer to the middle on either side will apply the same convenient dismissiveness to the acts of extremists on the side they support while using extremists on the other side to pain the opposing movement with broad strokes.

4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Wait, so you think Israel wants a cease-fire?

I think Israel would accept a cease fire if Hamas releases its hostages, disbands, and allows for a new democratically elected government to take over. 

I doubt Bibby wants much of a cease fire. But at some point he's going to have to bow to pressure. 

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Oh, they definitely are. Both sides are easily swayed to authoritarianism and bigorty, and those lying somewhere in the middle on either side will apply the same convenient dismissiveness to the acts of extremists on the side they support while using extremists on the other side to pain the opposing movement with broad strokes.

The moderate left has been anything but dismissive of the extremists on their side.   I've seen them going after the far left with force over these last few months.  The moderate right (if that's even a thing anymore) is either in the moderate Dem camp at this point or they're just keeping their mouth's shut and letting MAGA drag them around by their leash.

2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The moderate left has been anything but dismissive of the extremists on their side.   I've seen them going after the far left with force over these last few months.  The moderate right (if that's even a thing anymore) is either in the moderate Dem camp at this point or they're just keeping their mouth's shut and letting MAGA drag them around by their leash.

I don't think that's totally fair. There's a number of high profile conservatives who have consistently beat the drum against Trumpism. Many of them are at the Bulwark for example, and are former acolytes of guys like Bill Kristol.

I actually attended one of their recent live tapings of their podcast in Philly and got to meet Judge Luttig. Was pretty cool. 

Anyway, you have guys like that & former guys like Paul Ryan and some of the other recently house members all of whom have gone on the record saying Trump stinks.

To be sure though, none of the elected Republican members of Congress will publicly criticize their golden cow idol. They'd risk being primaried.  

add to that list guys like Tom Nichols, David Frum, and David French. they're all considered pariahs of the right now because they dared criticize how Trump has turned the Republican party into a cult of personality, but they've been beating the drum.