44 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

...You enjoy touching tips with the likes of KZ and Lynched.

who doesn't?

17 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Wait, so you think Israel wants a cease-fire?

Well, the fact they just proposed one AGAIN that Hamas rejected might be a clue...

YESSSSSS! TOP OF THE PAGE

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

I don't think that's totally fair. There's a number of high profile conservatives who have consistently beat the drum against Trumpism. Many of them are at the Bulwark for example, and are former acolytes of guys like Bill Kristol.

I actually attended one of their recent live tapings of their podcast in Philly and got to meet Judge Luttig. Was pretty cool. 

Anyway, you have guys like that & former guys like Paul Ryan and some of the other recently house members all of whom have gone on the record saying Trump stinks.

To be sure though, none of the elected Republican members of Congress will publicly criticize their golden cow idol. They'd risk being primaried.  

I agree but I'm not sure those people are even Republicans anymore.  MAGA's not wrong, they're RINO's, under the new definition.  I mean it's insane and stupid but if the only qualification for what a Republican is is that you pledge fealty to Trump then technically a RINO can be as conservative as they want but they're still RINOs if they won't debase themselves and bow down to him.

Maybe after Trump loses again they can somehow reclaim the party but I'm pretty skeptical.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Well, the fact they just proposed one AGAIN that Hamas rejected might be a clue...

my understanding is that this was proposed by the US and UN to both parties, and that Israel was waiting for Hamas to reply and wasn't on board yet necessarily.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Well, the fact they just proposed one AGAIN that Hamas rejected might be a clue...

Israel's cease fire proposals are not really being made in good faith because they don't give Hamas whatever it wants.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Maybe after Trump loses again they can somehow reclaim the party but I'm pretty skeptical.

When Trump dies there's a chance. It really is a cult of personality. 

I'm not saying that the sentiment that he has exploited will go away. That's here and it's ugly. But without Trump as a rallying point some semblance of normalcy might be able to reclaim some part of the party. 

And you can only lose so many consecutive elections before you're forced into the wilderness. 

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

When Trump dies there's a chance. It really is a cult of personality. 

I'm not saying that the sentiment that he has exploited will go away. That's here and it's ugly. But without Trump as a rallying point some semblance of normalcy might be able to reclaim some part of the party. 

And you can only lose so many consecutive elections before you're forced into the wilderness. 

MAGA:

8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

my understanding is that this was proposed by the US and UN to both parties, and that Israel was waiting for Hamas to reply and wasn't on board yet necessarily.

Israel was on board with it, per Blinken

22 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Israel's cease fire proposals are not really being made in good faith because they don't give Hamas whatever it wants.

Unhinged terrorists won’t agree to a permanent military occupation?  You don’t say…

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

The moderate left has been anything but dismissive of the extremists on their side.   I've seen them going after the far left with force over these last few months.  The moderate right (if that's even a thing anymore) is either in the moderate Dem camp at this point or they're just keeping their mouth's shut and letting MAGA drag them around by their leash.

I think the moderate right would be the last group to take up Hamas's cause.  

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

Wait, so you think Israel wants a cease-fire?

2 minutes ago, paco said:

I think the moderate right would be the last group to take up Hamas's cause.  

Moderate Dems are most certainly not in the Hamas camp.  Unless you think Dave's a moderate.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Moderate Dems are most certainly not in the Hamas camp.  Unless you think Dave's a moderate.

Yay, colonialism!

(just trying that out)

3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Moderate Dems are most certainly not in the Hamas camp.  Unless you think Dave's a moderate.

Btw I’m not pro Hamas ****  

Damn filter 

3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Btw I’m not pro Hamas ****  

 I was meeting him where he was.

11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Moderate Dems are most certainly not in the Hamas camp.  Unless you think Dave's a moderate.

I said nothing of Moderate Dems, I was only commenting on the idea that Moderate Republicans are "coming around".  I feel like right of center has been firmly in Israel's camp from the jump.

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Btw I’m not pro Hamas ****  

and yet you refuse to denounce them

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

and yet you refuse to denounce them

He did say he doesn't "like" them!

3 minutes ago, paco said:

I said nothing of Moderate Dems, I was only commenting on the idea that Moderate Republicans are "coming around".  I feel like right of center has been firmly in Israel's camp from the jump.

Where did I say they were coming around?

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Where did I say they were coming around?

"at this point" implies they were not originally.

Just now, paco said:

"at this point" implies they were not originally.

Ah.  No, I didn't really mean it like that.  I just mean the far right has been pushing them away more and more.  My point was sort of broader than just Israel, it was more about each side pushing against their extreme elements.

18 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Btw I’m not pro Hamas ****  

Yeah, how could anyone get that impression?

 

I mean, other than reading every single one of your posts in this topic...

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yeah, how could anyone get that impression?

 

I mean, other than reading every single one of your posts in this topic...

If I criticize Biden on Israel that doesn’t mean I like Trump, numbnuts.  I think it’s possible to be critical of Israel and not support Hamas.  I get it’s hard for you to parse that out though…