June 12, 20241 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: If I criticize Biden on Israel that doesn’t mean I like Trump, numbnuts. I think it’s possible to be critical of Israel and not support Hamas. I get it’s hard for you to parse that out though… Actually, the part we're all laughing about is your utter refusal to place any blame on Hamas, for anything. Most of us readily admit that we think Netanyahu sucks. But we're not blinded by hate into simply blaming Israel for everything.
June 12, 20241 yr This conflict is like the Sb's of Brady v.s G-Men. Like I gotta talk about it and follow it anyways, but damned if there's any way I'm rooting for either.
June 12, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Actually, the part we're all laughing about is your utter refusal to place any blame on Hamas, for anything. Most of us readily admit that we think Netanyahu sucks. But we're not blinded by hate into simply blaming Israel for everything. You want me to blame Hamas for things that aren’t the fault of Hamas. That’s because of your limited understanding of the conflict.
June 12, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Unhinged terrorists won’t agree to a permanent military occupation? You don’t say… just what this thread needs, more sarcasm REAL helpful, moss
June 12, 20241 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: You want me to blame Hamas for things that aren’t the fault of Hamas. That’s because of your limited understanding of the conflict. Oh please do educate me. I blame Hamas for starting the conflict, using civilians as human shields (which they gleefully admit to) and continuing to seek the destruction of the State of Israel. What else do you think I blame Hamas for? I can't wait to be educated on the conflict by an idiot. This day just got entertaining.
June 12, 20241 yr And let's just cut off your favorite justification for supporting terrorists from the jump - I have never supported the construction of Israeli settlements in the West Bank. I think that policy is abhorrent and seriously impedes the ability for a 2 state solution and lasting peace. What I don't accept is that building settlements justifies terrorism, rape and murder by a group in Gaza where no settlements are being constructed.
June 12, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: You want me to blame Hamas for things that aren’t the fault of Hamas. That’s because of your limited understanding of the conflict.
June 12, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Oh please do educate me. I blame Hamas for starting the conflict, using civilians as human shields (which they gleefully admit to) and continuing to seek the destruction of the State of Israel. What else do you think I blame Hamas for? I can't wait to be educated on the conflict by an idiot. This day just got entertaining. It doesn't matter if Hamas admits to using human shields - a decade ago Amnesty Int'l debunked that whole concept.
June 12, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: This conflict is like the Sb's of Brady v.s G-Men. Like I gotta talk about it and follow it anyways, but damned if there's any way I'm rooting for either. I'm just rooting for the hostages to return. That's about it. Aside from that there's not much to ever resolve about a conflict that will basically never end.
June 12, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: I'm just rooting for the hostages to return. That's about it. Aside from that there's not much to ever resolve about a conflict that will basically never end. There's a small part of me that hold out hope for a more meaningful resolution, along the lines of the plan the US/Israel proposed or the Security Council passed. 1. Hamas releases the hostages (or their bodies) and Israel pauses all offensive activities to allow negotiations for a permanent cessation of hostilities 2. The US calls a summit among Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority. Israel agrees to withdraw from Gaza and be replaced by a peace keeping force made up primarily of Arab nations (SA, Egypt and Jordan) who will guarantee Israeli security (at least from attacks by those in Gaza). These 3 nations have no love for Hamas or Iran and have normalized relations somewhat with Israel. 3. New elections are held in Gaza, and Hamas is banned from participating. 4. Israel agrees to dismantle the West Bank settlements. 5. After all this and the election of a stable government, we move towards formal recognition of a Palestinian state that renounces terrorism and recognizes Israel's sovereignty. Maybe, just maybe, the horror of October 7th will push the Arab nations that despise Iran into being part of a solution.
June 12, 20241 yr 23 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: You want me to blame Hamas for things that aren’t the fault of Hamas. That’s because of your limited understanding of the conflict. The good thing is, once Hamas is defeated in Gaza, the remaining civilian population won't harbor any resentment to their Israeli liberators and peace will finally be achieved.
June 12, 20241 yr Hamas saying it out loud. https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-leader-believes-civilian-deaths-125855400.html
June 12, 20241 yr Author 42 minutes ago, paco said: I'm not your photoshop monkey Ok you can take today off
June 12, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Moderate Dems are most certainly not in the Hamas camp. Unless you think Dave's a moderate. He is not. Nor are you
June 12, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, vikas83 said: There's a small part of me that hold out hope for a more meaningful resolution, along the lines of the plan the US/Israel proposed or the Security Council passed. 1. Hamas releases the hostages (or their bodies) and Israel pauses all offensive activities to allow negotiations for a permanent cessation of hostilities 2. The US calls a summit among Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority. Israel agrees to withdraw from Gaza and be replaced by a peace keeping force made up primarily of Arab nations (SA, Egypt and Jordan) who will guarantee Israeli security (at least from attacks by those in Gaza). These 3 nations have no love for Hamas or Iran and have normalized relations somewhat with Israel. 3. New elections are held in Gaza, and Hamas is banned from participating. 4. Israel agrees to dismantle the West Bank settlements. 5. After all this and the election of a stable government, we move towards formal recognition of a Palestinian state that renounces terrorism and recognizes Israel's sovereignty. Maybe, just maybe, the horror of October 7th will push the Arab nations that despise Iran into being part of a solution. Yeah thats not happening
June 12, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: former guys like Paul Ryan and some of the other recently house members all of whom have gone on the record saying Trump stinks. Edgy
June 12, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, vikas83 said: And let's just cut off your favorite justification for supporting terrorists from the jump - I have never supported the construction of Israeli settlements in the West Bank. I think that policy is abhorrent and seriously impedes the ability for a 2 state solution and lasting peace. What I don't accept is that building settlements justifies terrorism, rape and murder by a group in Gaza where no settlements are being constructed. They’re not giving back the settlements, but even if they did, it wouldn’t be enough for Palestinians. Therein lies the main problem.
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