July 31Jul 31 1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:sounds like you already invested in a timeshare in gaza.Nah just understand the narrative arc that war typically takes.
July 31Jul 31 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:Nah just understand the narrative arc that war typically takes.that's the issue, there's nothing typical about the middle east.
July 31Jul 31 4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:Nah just understand the narrative arc that war typically takes.I'm curious, what would Israel have to do to "cross the line" for you?
July 31Jul 31 23 hours ago, Mike030270 said:The 180 is interestingYou can go back through the thread where people were saying it's just war and just collateral damageThe war against hamas has been over for a while now.
July 31Jul 31 37 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:I'm curious, what would Israel have to do to "cross the line" for you?drop two nukes like the us did ?
July 31Jul 31 1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:that's the issue, there's nothing typical about the middle east.War is still war. This is what actually fighting win looks like. Its old school and shocking to many. But this is how you finish the job. Not just a pushback until the next fight
July 31Jul 31 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:I'm curious, what would Israel have to do to "cross the line" for you?Not sure what you mean. They are still after Hamas and to end them. Not contain. Finish them.I guess if they started intentionally killing muslim civilians unprovoked beyond just gaza that would qualify.
July 31Jul 31 1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:drop two nukes like the us did ?On their own front porch? Seems silly
July 31Jul 31 3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:Not sure what you mean. They are still after Hamas and to end them. Not contain. Finish them.I guess if they started intentionally killing muslim civilians unprovoked beyond just gaza that would qualify.intentionally killing civilians in Gaza is still cool though?
July 31Jul 31 4 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:Not sure what you mean. They are still after Hamas and to end them. Not contain. Finish them.I guess if they started intentionally killing muslim civilians unprovoked beyond just gaza that would qualify.They started? Israel attacks Iran vs Gaza
July 31Jul 31 Israeli military fires shots at delegation that included Irish diplomatshttps://share.google/rLHOSbvLLd4SHhK1WIsraeli attacks have killed at least 71 Palestinians seeking humanitarian aid amid a deepening hunger crisis in Gaza, medical sources told Al Jazeera, as hospitals in the besieged territory recorded seven more deaths from famine and malnutrition.https://share.google/BZgcTr1Hn7mlKlUtn'I witnessed war crimes' in Gaza, former worker at GHF aid site tells BBCA retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres."I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population"https://share.google/syRLyzfuNmsYmydCL
August 1Aug 1 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:intentionally killing civilians in Gaza is still cool though?Not really but i think they are still going after hamas targets hiding behind their own people The very definition of collateral damage
August 1Aug 1 18 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:Not sure what you mean. They are still after Hamas and to end them. Not contain. Finish them.I guess if they started intentionally killing muslim civilians unprovoked beyond just gaza that would qualify.So intentionally killing Muslim civilians is fine as long as they're in Gaza?
August 1Aug 1 13 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:Israeli military fires shots at delegation that included Irish diplomatshttps://share.google/rLHOSbvLLd4SHhK1WIsraeli attacks have killed at least 71 Palestinians seeking humanitarian aid amid a deepening hunger crisis in Gaza, medical sources told Al Jazeera, as hospitals in the besieged territory recorded seven more deaths from famine and malnutrition.https://share.google/BZgcTr1Hn7mlKlUtn'I witnessed war crimes' in Gaza, former worker at GHF aid site tells BBCA retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres."I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population"https://share.google/syRLyzfuNmsYmydCLObviously another anti-semitic lib. Lots of those in the special forces, I hear.
August 1Aug 1 14 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:intentionally killing civilians in Gaza is still cool though?TJ when a Muslim civvy gets mowed down trying to get food for his starving family from an aid truck:
August 2Aug 2 France is halting all evacuations of Gazans fleeing the war-torn enclave amid growing outrage over a Palestinian student allegedly reposting antisemitic content on her social media.French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot told France Info radio that the woman "must leave the country" and that she "has no place" in France.
August 3Aug 3 ReutersTens of thousands join pro-Palestinian march over Sydney...New South Wales police said up to 90,000 people had attended, far more than expected.Sky NewsSydney Harbour Bridge pro-Palestine protest so busy it wa...Some of those attending the march, called by its organisers the March for Humanity, carried pots and pans as symbols of the hunger in the besieged enclave of Gaza.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/aug/04/the-horror-of-gaza-called-and-an-army-of-rain-soaked-sydney-harbour-bridge-marchers-young-and-old-came-in-full-force
August 4Aug 4 26 minutes ago, Gannan said:Authoritarian governments with no respect for human life tend not to be well regarded.I find it funny that they actually think anyone cares about such protests. Is Israel going to suddenly reexamine their plans? Lol
August 4Aug 4 On 7/31/2025 at 12:44 PM, ToastJenkins said:War is still war. This is what actually fighting win looks like. Its old school and shocking to many. But this is how you finish the job. Not just a pushback until the next fightYou know what actually fighting looks like? I was in a war and don’t know what actual fighting looks like. I do know that slaughtering 1000s of people who are trying to get food because they are Fing starving is not what fighting looks like. You are emotionally illiterate.
August 4Aug 4 6 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:You know what actually fighting looks like? I was in a war and don’t know what actual fighting looks like. I do know that slaughtering 1000s of people who are trying to get food because they are Fing starving is not what fighting looks like. You are emotionally illiterate.Speaking strategically, but you already knew that…You are emotionally weak
August 4Aug 4 6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:Speaking strategically, but you already knew that…You are emotionally weakI didn’t know that because slaughtering innocent civilians while they’ve are trying to get food is not a war strategy either. Intentionally starving innocent civilians is not war strategy.
August 4Aug 4 4 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:I didn’t know that because slaughtering innocent civilians while they’ve are trying to get food is not a war strategy either. Intentionally starving innocent civilians is not war strategy.You win a war by cutting off every resource the enemy has. Violence is unfortunate. But the only real Interest we have is long term stability. And that was obviously not attainable with Hamas and the current structure. So war it is. And yes this is what real war looks like. Not "hearts and minds” kindergarten nonsense
August 4Aug 4 2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:You win a war by cutting off every resource the enemy has. Violence is unfortunate. But the only real Interest we have is long term stability. And that was obviously not attainable with Hamas and the current structure. So war it is. And yes this is what real war looks like. Not "hearts and minds” kindergarten nonsenseWar is between soldiers. Shooting at children and/or seniors isn’t warfare. No reasonable person considers that warfare.
August 4Aug 4 I think a lot of the issues that are had are due to the professionalism of the Israeli military as a whole. As to the issue of Israel committing war crimes, you can look at the tanks to see if and/or what war crimes are being done.Looking at war crimes, you have systemic and non-systemic. For systemic war crimes, think of 1940s Germany/Japan, Russia in anything since the first time in Chechnya. The war crimes committed by those forces were/are at the behest of superiors in the military systems of those nations. For non-systemic war crimes, you have instances like My Lai. A squad or group without orders from higher does a massacre. Western armies do not commit war crimes to the extent that armies of regions do. This is for a few reasons. Culture plays a large part, but also you have professional standing armies, or at the very least well trained conscripted forces (Allied armies in WWII). One of the things that comes with professional armies is a solid NCO corps, who spend a lot of their time keeping soldiers in line. It's just the way the system works in western armies.I think people assume that IDF are professional and western because they're riding around in American or materially equivalent equipment and Israel is generally well to do economically, however this assumption is not at all true. The IDF is, professionally speaking, a joke. They don't have an NCO corps in the way that western armies do, and they're not a professional standing army. They rely on poorly trained conscripts who would rather be drinking chai in Tel Aviv than doing what they're doing. They're just not pros. The fact that Middle Eastern forces are so poor is what makes the Israeli military look as good as it does. They're a DII college team playing against a AA high school. The IDF found this out the hard way with their mechanized forces a few decades ago. The lackadaisical attitudes had force wide were permeating through their mechanized forces, and tanks were breaking down left and right and they weren't as effective in combat as they should have been. The IDF corrected that mistake, and the mechanized forces are professional and organized akin to a western army, and they have quality NCOs and officers. It's why you don't see Merkava tanks committing war crimes in the way that IDF infantry units are doing. If the crimes were systemic, you'd see IDF tanks and IFVs taking part in them, but you don't. When it is done, its IDF infantry units doing it. Partly probably on purpose, but most I would gather are done because they are so poorly trained and unprofessional they think they're soldiering when they're not (firing into a crowd because of one guy holding an AK). Professionalism is the difference in knowing when and when not to do something.More or less, what is being done isn't systemic, it's non-systemic.
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