This burns Dave's a ss to no end

On 8/4/2025 at 9:11 PM, jsdarkstar said:

On 11/28/41 The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a member of the Ottoman Empire, visited Hitler and brought back his ideas for the Jews. From then on, every Arab in Egypt and Jordan learned to hate jews and Israel.

Don't believe me. Here's photographic proof. Allied with Hitler.

Al-Husseini had welcomed the NSDAP seizure of power in Germany in 1933 and the evolving anti-Jewish policy in the following years, requesting, however, that no Jews be sent to Palestine. He sought an alliance between the Arab-Muslim world and the Axis powers NSDAP Germany and Fascist Italy, demanding that Germany and Italy recognised the independence of the Arab states and their right to reverse steps taken towards the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

During the meeting, al-Husseini assured Hitler that: "The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely the English, the Jews and the Communists”, and that "they were prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts”.

He said the Arabs "could be more useful to Germany as allies than might be apparent at first glance, both for geographical reasons and because of the suffering inflicted upon them by the English and the Jews.”

I couldn’t get past this, and I’m probably misreading it but…. The Ottoman Empire went bye bye in 1924

No @Dave Moss , you can’t kiss me.

4 minutes ago, paco said:

I couldn’t get past this, and I’m probably misreading it but…. The Ottoman Empire went bye bye in 1924

No @Dave Moss , you can’t kiss me.

The empire got liquidated in the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. Afterwards Britain and France took control of that part of the Middle East. Even before the Ottoman Empire fell apart though Jews had been moving to the Middle East in greater numbers due to racism and discrimination in Europe.

4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The empire got liquidated in the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. Afterwards Britain and France took control of that part of the Middle East. Even before the Ottoman Empire fell apart though Jews had been moving to the Middle East in greater numbers due to racism and discrimination in Europe.

I know I got you all hot and bothered with that post but no means no.

8 hours ago, paco said:

I know I got you all hot and bothered with that post but no means no.

6 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

On 8/5/2025 at 7:07 PM, Procus said:

The granddaughter/heiress of the manufacturer of Zyklon-B is participating in the latest Gaza flotilla. Puts everything happening vis a vis Israel and Gaza into proper perspective. Wouldn't surprise me to find out that she's related to Tnt

Support Israel's fascist government otherwise you're a fascist!

40 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Support Israel's fascist government otherwise you're a fascist!

Are you always this much of an a-hole, or do you work extra hard at it? Let's see how you'd react if you had relatives gassed by the Germans in WWII, only to have the gas heiress join in a protest against your government for conducting military operations to weed out the group responsible for massacring its citizens, many of whom were descended from holocaust victims.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

Are you always this much of an a-hole, or do you work extra hard at it? Let's see how you'd react if you had relatives gassed by the Germans in WWII, only to have the gas heiress join in a protest against your government for conducting military operations to weed out the group responsible for massacring its citizens, many of whom were descended from holocaust victims.

I'm so sick of this stupid narrative that if you don't support Netenyahu you are anti Semitic. He was indicted for taking bribes and committing fraud before this ever happened. And the aftermath he turned from a criminal into a war criminal. He's a scumbag, and an authoritarian. The children he is murdering had nothing to do with the attacks.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

I'm so sick of this stupid narrative that if you don't support Netenyahu you are anti Semitic. He was indicted for taking bribes and committing fraud before this ever happened. And the aftermath he turned from a criminal into a war criminal. He's a scumbag, and an authoritarian. The children he is murdering had nothing to do with the attacks.

You're an ass

1 hour ago, Procus said:

You're an ass

So you're saying all the Israeli people that don't support Netenyahu are anti Semites?

12 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

So you're saying all the Israeli people that don't support Netenyahu are anti Semites?

The ass part was glossing over the heiress to the Zyklon B fortune and using it as an excuse to attack Israel's action in Gaza.

Let me ask you Doc, what would you propose to do to release the remaining live hostages, and the remains of the dead hostages that are still underground in Gaza? What's your plan?

2 hours ago, Procus said:

You're an ass

You're a Trump supporter, which means not only do you support a known pedo, you support the naziism you claim to be outraged by.

6 minutes ago, Procus said:

The ass part was glossing over the heiress to the Zyklon B fortune and using it as an excuse to attack Israel's action in Gaza.

Let me ask you Doc, what would you propose to do to release the remaining live hostages, and the remains of the dead hostages that are still underground in Gaza? What's your plan?

There is no good solution for this specific current issue and there is also no solution for the long term general problem which has been apparent for decades. In any case, I think the time has long passed whereby Israel should be ensuring that basic essentials (food, water, medical supplies, etc.) get into the Palestinian people.

42 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There is no good solution for this specific current issue and there is also no solution for the long term general problem which has been apparent for decades. In any case, I think the time has long passed whereby Israel should be ensuring that basic essentials (food, water, medical supplies, etc.) get into the Palestinian people.

There is a solution, IMO, and one that is worth pursuing (and I've been pushing for a while). Israel finally has somewhat decent relationships with Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. I'd try and broker a solution where those 3 form an Arab peace keeping/security force to take over Gaza and administer it while the Israelis withdraw. The 3 Arab nations guarantee Israeli security (Israel can keep a force on its side of the border as well) along with a restatement of US support for Israel, administer Gaza and remove Hamas once and for all. In exchange for this, the US gives money or something else of value to the Arab countries.

There will never be rational discourse while Israel is the one in Gaza trying to root out Hamas. We should try and take advantage of the improved Arab-Israeli relationships before the disintegrate.

The missing piece here - Israel likely would only entertain this once they have all the hostages back.

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There is a solution, IMO, and one that is worth pursuing (and I've been pushing for a while). Israel finally has somewhat decent relationships with Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. I'd try and broker a solution where those 3 form an Arab peace keeping/security force to take over Gaza and administer it while the Israelis withdraw. The 3 Arab nations guarantee Israeli security (Israel can keep a force on its side of the border as well) along with a restatement of US support for Israel, administer Gaza and remove Hamas once and for all. In exchange for this, the US gives money or something else of value to the Arab countries.

There will never be rational discourse while Israel is the one in Gaza trying to root out Hamas. We should try and take advantage of the improved Arab-Israeli relationships before the disintegrate.

The missing piece here - Israel likely would only entertain this once they have all the hostages back.

Quite a complicated solution with lots of moving parts. Certainly too complicated and sensitive for Trump to manage. Who do you see leading the brokering of the setup/deal?

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

There is no good solution for this specific current issue and there is also no solution for the long term general problem which has been apparent for decades. In any case, I think the time has long passed whereby Israel should be ensuring that basic essentials (food, water, medical supplies, etc.) get into the Palestinian people.

Why is Israel responsible? Why isn't Egypt responsible for its fellow Arab brethren? Egypt has a closed border with Gaza and used to control Gaza for 19 years. The residents of Gaza have many who trace their roots back to Egypt.

Otherwise, please explain how Israel is supposed to ensure that food and medicine gets through to the people when Hamas steals 90% of it. The only way to ensure this is to root out Hamas.

Show me a single other instance in history where a country was violently attached by another, but was nevertheless duty bound to feed the people of the country which attacked it.

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

There is a solution, IMO, and one that is worth pursuing (and I've been pushing for a while). Israel finally has somewhat decent relationships with Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. I'd try and broker a solution where those 3 form an Arab peace keeping/security force to take over Gaza and administer it while the Israelis withdraw. The 3 Arab nations guarantee Israeli security (Israel can keep a force on its side of the border as well) along with a restatement of US support for Israel, administer Gaza and remove Hamas once and for all. In exchange for this, the US gives money or something else of value to the Arab countries.

There will never be rational discourse while Israel is the one in Gaza trying to root out Hamas. We should try and take advantage of the improved Arab-Israeli relationships before the disintegrate.

The missing piece here - Israel likely would only entertain this once they have all the hostages back.

Israel's informal relationship with the Saudis and its relationship with Jordan is probably better right now than its relations with Egypt. There was much contraband leaking through the Gaza border with Egypt at Rafa, and a lot of people were making money that has since dried up.

7 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Quite a complicated solution with lots of moving parts. Certainly too complicated and sensitive for Trump to manage. Who do you see leading the brokering of the setup/deal?

Maybe this guy should be appointed as the special envoy to resolve this complex situation

3 hours ago, Procus said:

Maybe this guy should be appointed as the special envoy to resolve this complex situation

haha

8 hours ago, Procus said:

Why is Israel responsible? Why isn't Egypt responsible for its fellow Arab brethren? Egypt has a closed border with Gaza and used to control Gaza for 19 years. The residents of Gaza have many who trace their roots back to Egypt.

Otherwise, please explain how Israel is supposed to ensure that food and medicine gets through to the people when Hamas steals 90% of it. The only way to ensure this is to root out Hamas.

Show me a single other instance in history where a country was violently attached by another, but was nevertheless duty bound to feed the people of the country which attacked it.

Israel is the one pummeling Gaza. They certainly had every right to take the actions they took after Oct 7th. However, they also own the initial "cleanup" if for no other reason than Gaza is within Israel. Creating a solution that includes significant help from Egypt would help.

13 hours ago, vikas83 said:

There is a solution, IMO, and one that is worth pursuing (and I've been pushing for a while). Israel finally has somewhat decent relationships with Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. I'd try and broker a solution where those 3 form an Arab peace keeping/security force to take over Gaza and administer it while the Israelis withdraw. The 3 Arab nations guarantee Israeli security (Israel can keep a force on its side of the border as well) along with a restatement of US support for Israel, administer Gaza and remove Hamas once and for all. In exchange for this, the US gives money or something else of value to the Arab countries.

There will never be rational discourse while Israel is the one in Gaza trying to root out Hamas. We should try and take advantage of the improved Arab-Israeli relationships before the disintegrate.

The missing piece here - Israel likely would only entertain this once they have all the hostages back.

The biggest issue with this is with how much the rest of the ME looks down their noses at the Palestinians.

1 hour ago, Bill said:

The biggest issue with this is with how much the rest of the ME looks down their noses at the Palestinians.

Why is that?

1 hour ago, Bill said:

The biggest issue with this is with how much the rest of the ME looks down their noses at the Palestinians.

This. The Palestinians have been kicked out of every other Arabic country due to their reputation for causing trouble.