October 18, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: You're saying all this while defending the release of 5K terrorists. Everyone universally agrees that Trump sheet the bed on the Afghan deal. It was a disaster. As bad as it was, that 20+ yr debacle is over. Both men should get credit for that and the criticism should be directed at those that started and kept it going with lies.
October 18, 20231 yr 33 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: And again Deflecto Boy has you all covering for Biden again What mechanisms are in place to prevent this $100M from going to Hamas?????? Anyone?? While this doesn't have the specifics, it points out the same misunderstanding from which you suffer about government spending: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/biden-announces-100m-in-humanitarian-aid-for-gaza-west-bank/3025366 Just like with Ukraine, aid doesn't equate directly dollars being literally transferred. In the case of Ukraine, it has been explained over and over to you that the aid packages are largely older military equipment on which a value is placed, not currency. In the case of humanitarian aid, it takes the form of funds to humanitarian organizations such as the Red Cross and others that purchase goods such a food, medical supplies, etc. and pays people to distribute these goods. The goods can be stolen, as they are often in Africa with humanitarian aid, and resold in order to monetize them, but in this case, that might be complicated.There is no currency that Hamas can get its hands on to fund its military actions. Your simple minded understanding of such things plays into your confirmation bias about all things Biden and continues to confim the hillbilly goat Fer that you are.
October 18, 20231 yr 31 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Yeah, because the leader of the country that will suffer the most if the money gets in the wrong hands shouldn’t have a say at all. Maybe Biden should just cut Israel out of the talks altogether and only deal with Hamas, maybe have them over to Camp David for tea? Ok someones going to have to break this waaaay down for me: Who are we giving the money to, exactly? How is Netanyahu supposed to ensure it goes for "humanitarian aid" and not to Hamas? Last time I checked theyre straight up killing every Hamas member they see. Seems like a conflict of interest somewhere in there. How are we supposed to ensure it doesn't go to Hamas? The Biden admin has already admitted previous funds did, in fact, go to terrorists. So did they just figure out how to prevent that from happening?? Biden said there were mechanisms in place. What are they??? This is our money, should we know how it's being spent?
October 18, 20231 yr 23 minutes ago, Next_Up said: While this doesn't have the specifics, it points out the same misunderstanding from which you suffer about government spending: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/biden-announces-100m-in-humanitarian-aid-for-gaza-west-bank/3025366 Just like with Ukraine, aid doesn't equate directly dollars being literally transferred. In the case of Ukraine, it has been explained over and over to you that the aid packages are largely older military equipment on which a value is placed, not currency. In the case of humanitarian aid, it takes the form of funds to humanitarian organizations such as the Red Cross and others that purchase goods such a food, medical supplies, etc. and pays people to distribute these goods. The goods can be stolen, as they are often in Africa with humanitarian aid, and resold in order to monetize them, but in this case, that might be complicated.There is no currency that Hamas can get its hands on to fund its military actions. Your simple minded understanding of such things plays into your confirmation bias about all things Biden and continues to confim the hillbilly goat Fer that you are. Yeah Im not the one with misunderstandings. We were told there were mechanisms in place. You literally just cancelled out your own argument by saying the funds could be stolen or misused. That's whats happened to the previous aid we've sent there. Correct? So what's different now?
October 18, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Yeah Im not the one with misunderstandings. We were told there were mechanisms in place. You literally just cancelled out your own argument by saying the funds could be stolen or misused. That's whats happened to the previous aid we've sent there. Correct? So what's different now? He said the goods could be stolen or misused. Learn to read.
October 18, 20231 yr Israel should kill all the prisoners and turn over to Hamas their dead bodies like they do with Israel.
October 18, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Yeah Im not the one with misunderstandings. We were told there were mechanisms in place. You literally just cancelled out your own argument by saying the funds could be stolen or misused. That's whats happened to the previous aid we've sent there. Correct? So what's different now? I don't know about the previous aid. The topic I presented was $100M of humanitarian aid to GAZA and I explained how that works in terms of goods rather than currency that could be misappropriated by Hamas. You invoking other aid in a different context is moving the goal posts. The main thing that is not different is that you are dumb, self righteous and unable to comprehend beyond your own fallacies and misunderstandings.
October 18, 20231 yr 39 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Israel should kill all the prisoners and turn over to Hamas their dead bodies like they do with Israel. So you think being like them is the answer?
October 18, 20231 yr 59 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Israel should kill all the prisoners and turn over to Hamas their dead bodies like they do with Israel. JC that's Fed up
October 18, 20231 yr 23 minutes ago, Next_Up said: I don't know about the previous aid. The topic I presented was $100M of humanitarian aid to GAZA and I explained how that works in terms of goods rather than currency that could be misappropriated by Hamas. You invoking other aid in a different context is moving the goal posts. The main that that is not different is that you are dumb, self righteous and unable to comprehend beyond your own fallacies and misunderstandings. And you could easily make the argument that giving 100million in humanitarian aid to Gaza could allow Hamas to redirect funds from feeding and providing medical aid to the people of Gaza to doing terrory terrorist things. Funding both sides as they commit atrocities against one another is really just incredibly stupid, but it basically summarizes most of US foreign policy over the last two decades. That's why normies are done with shipping tax payer money overseas.
October 18, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, Kz! said: And you could easily make the argument that giving 100million in humanitarian aid to Gaza could allow Hamas to redirect funds from feeding and providing medical aid to the people of Gaza to doing terrory terrorist things. Funding both sides as they commit atrocities against one another is really just incredibly stupid, but it basically summarizes most of US foreign policy over the last two decades. That's why normies are done with shipping tax payer money overseas. You brought jokes.
October 18, 20231 yr 5 minutes ago, Kz! said: And you could easily make the argument that giving 100million in humanitarian aid to Gaza could allow Hamas to redirect funds from feeding and providing medical aid to the people of Gaza to doing terrory terrorist things. Funding both sides as they commit atrocities against one another is really just incredibly stupid, but it basically summarizes most of US foreign policy over the last two decades. That's why normies are done with shipping tax payer money overseas. You could easily make any argument without knowing the logistics of the situation. Doesn't appear that Hamas is in the care-taking business of the population, so your premise is questionable. Your premise is based on Hamas having a commitment to spend $100M supporting the humanitarian needs of GAZA residents. This doesn't exist. You are making a kind of "giving aid to the enemy" argument where you are grouping all of the residents of GAZA as equivalent to HAMAS. That's an opinion. You spew a lot of nonsense and labels. What is a normy? If it is people at the norm of the US population distribution, you are wrong. If it is the 30-35% to the left of the norm on a Gaussian distribution of US citizens' opinions on such things, you are correct. That's Trump's base and your brethren morons.
October 18, 20231 yr Just now, Next_Up said: You could easily make any argument without knowing the logistics of the situation. Doesn't appear that Hamas is in the care-taking business of the population, so your premise is questionable. Your premise is based on Hamas having a commitment to spend $100M supporting the humanitarian needs of GAZA residents. This doesn't exist. You are making a kind of "giving aid to the enemy" argument where you are grouping all of the residents of GAZA as equivalent to HAMAS. That's an opinion. You spew a lot of nonsense and labels. What is a normy? If it is people at the norm of the US population distribution, you are wrong. If it is the 30-35% to the left of the norm on a Gaussian distribution of US citizens' opinions on such things, you are correct. That's Trump's base and your brethren morons. Look I know you and Van are probably really familiar with the inner workings of the current system in the gaza strip , but it's incredibly stupid to think that $100million will go exclusively to non-terrorists. I mean, that's not even remotely possible. But, yes, most normies are tired of seeing hundreds of billions being shipped overseas. Obviously, you and fellow liberals can't relate because you're a part of a retarded cult.
October 18, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Next_Up said: . The goods can be stolen, as they are often in Africa with humanitarian aid, and resold in order to monetize them, but in this case, that might be complicated. 42 minutes ago, Next_Up said: I don't know about the previous aid. The topic I presented was $100M of humanitarian aid to GAZA and I explained how that works in terms of goods rather than currency that could be misappropriated by Hamas. You invoking other aid in a different context is moving the goal posts. The main that that is not different is that you are dumb, self righteous and unable to comprehend beyond your own fallacies and misunderstandings. You literally just said they could be sold and monetized. Maybe make one coherent point and we could have a discussion
October 18, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: He said the goods could be stolen or misused. Learn to read. He also said they could be monetized in the exact same post. This childish BS is old. You dont think this is what's been happening for years? I want someone to explain to me these "mechanisms" that Biden mentioned and how its any different than previous aid. You're all flailing around because you know you're full of ish just like Biden
October 18, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, Next_Up said: You could easily make any argument without knowing the logistics of the situation. Doesn't appear that Hamas is in the care-taking business of the population, so your premise is questionable. Your premise is based on Hamas having a commitment to spend $100M supporting the humanitarian needs of GAZA residents. This doesn't exist. You are making a kind of "giving aid to the enemy" argument where you are grouping all of the residents of GAZA as equivalent to HAMAS. That's an opinion. You spew a lot of nonsense and labels. What is a normy? If it is people at the norm of the US population distribution, you are wrong. If it is the 30-35% to the left of the norm on a Gaussian distribution of US citizens' opinions on such things, you are correct. That's Trump's base and your brethren morons. Who governs the residents of Gaza??? Are you trying to be dense, or do you just talk in circles all the time? How the hell is this $100M supposed to be distributed to people under the governance of Gaza in a literal warzone without Hamas being involved???? Use some critical thinking
October 18, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: He also said they could be monetized in the exact same post. This childish BS is old. You dont think this is what's been happening for years? I want someone to explain to me these "mechanisms" that Biden mentioned and how its any different than previous aid. You're all flailing around because you know you're full of ish just like Biden He already explained how it works. You're just pretending you still don't know. The money goes to humanitarian organizations. Those humanitarian organizations purchase food and medical supplies. The women and children decimated by war eat the food and use the medical supplies. That's it. Clearly you'd rather allow these women and children to die because Old Man Bad but most people wouldn't. Sucks for you I guess.
October 18, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Who governs the residents of Gaza??? Are you trying to be dense, or do you just talk in circles all the time? How the hell is this $100M supposed to be distributed to people under the governance of Gaza in a literal warzone without Hamas being involved???? Use some critical thinking The money will be distributed to humanitarian groups. The groups will distribute goods. The goods could be monetized, as in the case of Africa where there is an extensive black market economy, but it is not so easy to do on scale in a highly disrupted local economy like GAZA. Basically, HAMAS would need to steal the goods, and sell them on the local black market to try and monetize them. So, the local Palestinian residents somehow have millions of dollars to spend on the black market for goods that are available from humanitarian organizations for free. Sounds like a plan! Your argument is absurdly detached from reality. If the residents of GAZA had that kind of capital, they don't--turn on the news and look at the poverty, wouldn't they just give it to HAMAS to fund the military arm of GAZA? The money isn't there. Weaponizing the aid would look more like bags of rice and flour being tossed at Israeli soldiers. Get you head out of your butt, or your cousin's butt.
October 18, 20231 yr 27 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: He already explained how it works. You're just pretending you still don't know. The money goes to humanitarian organizations. Those humanitarian organizations purchase food and medical supplies. The women and children decimated by war eat the food and use the medical supplies. That's it. Clearly you'd rather allow these women and children to die because Old Man Bad but most people wouldn't. Sucks for you I guess. He's just pissed because West Virginia needs more aid and this takes away from their sugar t*t. Remember, for every $1.04 West Virginia residents pay in federal taxes, they get $1.00 back. He is fighting for his $.04 with his idiotic $.02.
October 18, 20231 yr https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/18/europe/us-veto-security-council-israel-gaza-war-intl/index.html
October 18, 20231 yr ISRAEL IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE!!! Palestinian territories[24] Year Pop. ±% p.a. 1997 2,783,084 — 1998 2,871,568 +3.18% 1999 2,962,226 +3.16% 2000 3,053,335 +3.08% 2001 3,138,471 +2.79% 2002 3,225,214 +2.76% 2003 3,314,509 +2.77% 2004 3,407,417 +2.80% 2005 3,508,126 +2.96% 2006 3,611,198 +2.94% 2007 3,719,189 +2.99% 2008 3,825,512 +2.86% 2009 3,935,249 +2.87% 2010 4,048,403 +2.88% 2011 4,168,860 +2.98% 2012 4,293,313 +2.99% 2013 4,420,549 +2.96% 2014 4,550,368 +2.94% 2015 4,682,467 +2.90% 2016 4,816,503 +2.86% 2017 4,952,168 +2.82% 2021 5,227,193 +1.36% West Bank[24] Year Pop. ±% p.a. 2012 2,649,020 — 2013 2,719,112 +2.65% 2014 2,790,331 +2.62% 2015 2,862,485 +2.59% 2016 2,935,368 +2.55% 2017 3,008,770 +2.50% 2021 3,120,448 +0.92% Gaza Strip[24] Year Pop. ±% p.a. 2012 1,644,293 — 2013 1,701,437 +3.48% 2014 1,760,037 +3.44% 2015 1,819,982 +3.41% 2016 1,881,135 +3.36% 2017 1,943,398 +3.31% 2021 2,106,745 +2.04%
October 18, 20231 yr Tlaib is pushing the propaganda that Israel killed hundreds in that hospital when it was a Hamas rocket.
October 18, 20231 yr Lol I'll add a disclaimer because I'm sure feathers will be ruffled. I don't agree with the tweet
October 18, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: So you think being like them is the answer? Its a strategy. Fight fire with fire. Play to win the war not the perception game. Not endorsing it per se, but couldnt really blame Israel if they did it
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