November 1, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Mike030270 said: Not being antagonizing or anything but go where? No idea. Family in surrounding countries? Gain citizenship elsewhere? I just know if my family was in a state where their government was actively antagonizing (read: terrorists) a country with a vastly superior military and I didn't support their actions I would do everything in my power to GTFO. Like people have said... no protests. Silence other than chants of death to Israel. The supposed innocents appear to condone their govts actions IMO.
November 1, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Imp81318 said: Ok so what is the solution then? Israel tells civilians to evacuate an area, which gives up any tactical advantage they might have and Hamas moves personnel and equipment out of the area so the strikes are ineffective. Hamas continues to hide their weapons among the civilians. How should Israel proceed? Maybe if those people are truly fed up with Hamas they’ll start sabotaging their weaponry or means of transport so that Israel’s strikes are more effective? It's been going on for so long I don't think anyone has a solution
November 1, 20231 yr 6 minutes ago, paco said: Like people have said... no protests. Silence other than chants of death to Israel. The supposed innocents appear to condone their govts actions IMO. That's the confusing part with what we're seeing in this country. They're not as much pro-Palestinian protests as they are anti-Israel/Jews protests. The main source of the problem is the Palestinian government and conveniently/weirdly no one wants to bring that up and blame Israel instead. If you're truly pro-Palestinian and advocating for peace, these marches should be anti-Hamas.
November 1, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, paco said: No idea. Family in surrounding countries? Gain citizenship elsewhere? I just know if my family was in a state where their government was actively antagonizing (read: terrorists) a country with a vastly superior military and I didn't support their actions I would do everything in my power to GTFO. Like people have said... no protests. Silence other than chants of death to Israel. The supposed innocents appear to condone their govts actions IMO. No idea. Tried googling it but got different protests for different things
November 1, 20231 yr Not a perfect analogy by any means, but it might be more accurate to think of Palestinian civilians as battered spouses. After decades feeling helpless, and hopeless, they also feel powerless to do anything about their lot, knowing full well that trying to do something, anything about it will invariably lead to more abuse, so they keep their heads down and take it. It would be a lot easier if they'd rise up in unison and take control, but psychologically many are incapable of doing so.
November 1, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Not a perfect analogy by any means, but it might be more accurate to think of Palestinian civilians as battered spouses. After decades feeling helpless, and hopeless , they also feel powerless to do anything about their lot, knowing full well that trying to do something, anything about it will invariably lead to more abuse, so they keep their heads down a take it. It would be a lot easier if they'd rise up in unison and take control, but psychologically many are incapable of doing so. It's actually a very good analogy, zuke.
November 1, 20231 yr 11 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Not a perfect analogy by any means, but it might be more accurate to think of Palestinian civilians as battered spouses. After decades feeling helpless, and hopeless, they also feel powerless to do anything about their lot, knowing full well that trying to do something, anything about it will invariably lead to more abuse, so they keep their heads down and take it. It would be a lot easier if they'd rise up in unison and take control, but psychologically many are incapable of doing so. This seems fair
November 1, 20231 yr 36 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: It's been going on for so long I don't think anyone has a solution They could actually stand up and fight for their own government. You know, as has been done thousands of times throughout history? It takes bravery. It results in death. But its better to die for self-governance than to die because your govt is a terrorist organization.
November 1, 20231 yr These are the people who were out in the streets celebrating en mass when thousands of innocent people died on 9-11. I've never gotten even a slight "terrorism is bad" vibe from the Palestinians. It's pretty much their thing.
November 1, 20231 yr 43 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Not a perfect analogy by any means, but it might be more accurate to think of Palestinian civilians as battered spouses. After decades feeling helpless, and hopeless, they also feel powerless to do anything about their lot, knowing full well that trying to do something, anything about it will invariably lead to more abuse, so they keep their heads down and take it. It would be a lot easier if they'd rise up in unison and take control, but psychologically many are incapable of doing so. It fits pretty well
November 1, 20231 yr Author 20 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: the left holds their extremist more accountable than the right. Yes, agree though I think the left still needs to do a much better job than they've been doing
November 1, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said: The main source of the problem is the (lack of a) Palestinian government Fyp
November 1, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Yes, agree though I think the left still needs to do a much better job than they've been doing Right. We can’t even keep that little Swedish girl in check.
November 2, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said: 🤨 How about we just stop hating anyone because of their religion? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna122712
November 2, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, The_Omega said: Not a perfect analogy by any means, but it might be more accurate to think of Palestinian civilians as battered spouses. After decades feeling helpless, and hopeless, they also feel powerless to do anything about their lot, knowing full well that trying to do something, anything about it will invariably lead to more abuse, so they keep their heads down and take it. It would be a lot easier if they'd rise up in unison and take control, but psychologically many are incapable of doing so. This could be close to the truth. Unfortunately close to 50% of the people living in Gaza have lived (almost) their entire lives under the influence or control of Hamas (or other extremist, anti-west, anti-Israel) groups. Their entire existence is based on a hatred of Jews and Western Society. Can some be "brought back" to reality? Yes, I think some can. Unfortunately, their coward leaders use them as human shields and raise them up to be "martyrs" of their greedy, ignorant cause. And that's exactly where we stand now. There is no easy way out of this. There will be casualties and their blood is on the hands of Hamas. An unconditional surrender of Hamas would create an immediate cease fire. The world should be calling for an immediate and unconditional surrender of Hamas. If the world wants to save lives - they should be calling for an immediate and unconditional surrender of Hamas.
November 2, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said: This could be close to the truth. Unfortunately close to 50% of the people living in Gaza have lived (almost) their entire lives under the influence or control of Hamas (or other extremist, anti-west, anti-Israel) groups. Their entire existence is based on a hatred of Jews and Western Society. Can some be "brought back" to reality? Yes, I think some can. Unfortunately, their coward leaders use them as human shields and raise them up to be "martyrs" of their greedy, ignorant cause. And that's exactly where we stand now. There is no easy way out of this. There will be casualties and their blood is on the hands of Hamas. An unconditional surrender of Hamas would create an immediate cease fire. The world should be calling for an immediate and unconditional surrender of Hamas. If the world wants to save lives - they should be calling for an immediate and unconditional surrender of Hamas. I think you could make the argument that their plight was worse before Hamas came along though. So you’re not making as strong a point as you think you are. #Aces4Eva
November 2, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: It's simple folks. Israel and Saudi Arabia were within days of forming a peace treaty/alliance with each other. What happens then? Iran/Russia (Putin) lose power/control of the region. (Keep in mind Iran and Saudi Arabia have been going at it for a while). A united Saudi Arabia and Israel is a death blow to Iran. (Also weakening Russia's influence/control of the region). Iran immediately uses their influence and puts in place the attacks of October 7th. (Knowing full well that Israel will respond, upsetting the Arab world and once again causing a divide within Arab nations/Israel - making it almost impossible for Saudi Arabia to make any sort of treaty with Israel). Wake up, folks.
November 2, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I think you could make the argument that their plight was worse before Hamas came along though. So you’re not making as strong a point as you think you are. #Aces4Eva Israel occupied the region prior. Israel (with pressure from the west) dis-occupied the region and gave them the opportunity to have free elections. They were given FREEDOM from their "plight". They were give democracy - free elections. They elected Hamas - essentially enslaving themselves right back into their "so called plight".
November 2, 20231 yr 8 hours ago, The_Omega said: It was either Hamas or Fatah who had been using them and oppressing them for decades leading up to that election. Israel completely bailing on Gaza really gave the terror groups the chance to grow and develop the power they have now, and they haven’t allowed another election since. The aid we send them pays for it. The civilians are getting bombed because Hamas’ leadership is hiding themselves and weapons among them. Is Israel just supposed to throw their hands up and accept there’s nothing they can do about it? Not all of them are hiding behind civilians. Some of the very top guys are billionaires who live in luxury in Qatar, the nation that just hosted the FIFA World Cup. How can the leader of a group like Hamas become a billionaire? Where would they possibly get millions and millions and billions of dollars?
November 2, 20231 yr 16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said: Israel occupied the region prior. Israel (with pressure from the west) dis-occupied the region and gave them the opportunity to have free elections. They were given FREEDOM from their "plight". They were give democracy - free elections. They elected Hamas - essentially enslaving themselves right back into their "so called plight". Free elections, but no autonomy.
November 2, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, xzmattzx said: Not all of them are hiding behind civilians. Some of the very top guys are billionaires who live in luxury in Qatar, the nation that just hosted the FIFA World Cup. How can the leader of a group like Hamas become a billionaire? Where would they possibly get millions and millions and billions of dollars? I’m not sure. Where??
November 2, 20231 yr The next time someone asks for a cease fire - ask for the unconditional surrender of Hamas. There WAS a cease fire on October 6th 2023. Hamas broke the cease fire by torturing, raping and killing 1200 innocent civilians within Israel - including children and yes, babies. They killed babies - and "bragged about it". That is beyond any sort of human comprehension. Not even the most wicked through humanity's history did, what they did. They showed themselves to be beyond human - something the world has not seen on this level.
November 2, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Free elections, but no autonomy. Just stop, Dave. Free elections obviously would have led to autonomy, had they elected (almost anyone else in the universe) other than a f'n terrorist organization that hates Jews, the West, gay people or just about anyone else not 100% within their extremist, hatred cause.
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