2 hours ago, Procus said:

That's a ridiculous statement.  Would you like to see a forensic audit tracing the money?

Yes, to believe a claim we, I, would like to see evidence. The fact that is foreign to you is the problem. 

1 hour ago, lynched1 said:

It doesn't matter what I think. It happened blood clot.

Keep pining for more government. 

2 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

Keep pining for more government. 

WTF are you smoking tonight?

7 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

WTF are you smoking tonight?

You don’t think voting for all 300 or so military promotions individually would add to the cost of government? 

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

You don’t think voting for all 300 or so military promotions individually would add to the cost of government? 

$300M worth of supplies were sold off for $2M dollars two months before ****head decides he wants to build a wall. 

Get the F out of here with that fake BS. Who the F cares at this point? Let's continue to run this **** into the ground and start over with the survivors.

ASTERIOD 2024!

"I'LL CURE ALL THAT AILS YOU"!!!

We had at least one EMB member of the old EMB who was an Israeli Army officer. We exchanged a lot of old game DVD's back in the day. I haven't seen him over here on the new EMB so as far as I know, he never made the move with us. 

If my memory is serving me, I think his member name was ilross. That was quite a few years ago, so I doubt he's still in the military, but you never know.  

On 10/7/2023 at 11:01 PM, vikas83 said:

We need to be unequivocal in our support. Full stop. Israel is far from perfect, but judged against the alternative…it is a no contest. 
 

We can all argue if what happened in 1948 was fair, but it is done now. The Palestinians have rejected multiple offers and Hamas’ stated goal is the destruction of the Jewish state. People who try and paint some kind of false equivalency here are abhorrent. 

Israel has been occupying the bits of Palestine that were attacked Yesterday since 1967 not 1948, the UN recognises that, the requirement that they withdraw is one of vanishingly few UN Security council resolutions the US hasn't immediately thrown troops at to enforce.

False equivalence my ass, Israel has been treating the Palestinians like dogdirt for 55 years and the West wags a finger occasionally and then looks the other way. Since Netanyahu was forced into coalition with a bunch of hard right ethno-nationalists a couple of years ago, the illegal settlements have been growing at a pace not seen before, there have been pogroms and forced evictions against the native Palestinians almost constantly for the last 18 months and the US, which could bring Israel to heel at any point did nothing.

We can absolutely agree the targeting of civilians is absolutely abhorrent and should be condemned, but it's abhorrent when either side does it, it can't be 'ah we'll fund that side billions of dollars a year' as it kills hundreds of civilians year in and year out and then advocate bombing the other to rubble (again) the second it kicks back.

And spare me the 'Hamas are hiding their soldiers in public areas excuse' for Palestinian civilian casualties, if the British had flattened Catholic areas of Northern Ireland in the 1980's to try and kill off the IRA, would the US government have stood idly by saying 'the British have an absolute right to defend themselves', or sent a carrier group to the Irish sea to offer support?

So yes I condemn absolutely the targeting of civilians by Hamas this weekend, but what the region needs right now is an honest broker for peace, not someone to hold the bullies coat as they kick even more crap out of the victim who gave him a brief smack in the mouth in the middle of his 55 year long beating.

Maybe it's time to try something different than just shouting bomb it into the stone age every few years, given that approach hasn't made any progress for the last 3 decades.

21 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel has been occupying the bits of Palestine that were attacked Yesterday since 1967 not 1948, the UN recognises that, the requirement that they withdraw is one of vanishingly few UN Security council resolutions the US hasn't immediately thrown troops at to enforce.

False equivalence my ass, Israel has been treating the Palestinians like dogdirt for 55 years and the West wags a finger occasionally and then looks the other way. Since Netanyahu was forced into coalition with a bunch of hard right ethno-nationalists a couple of years ago, the illegal settlements have been growing at a pace not seen before, there have been pogroms and forced evictions against the native Palestinians almost constantly for the last 18 months and the US, which could bring Israel to heel at any point did nothing.

We can absolutely agree the targeting of civilians is absolutely abhorrent and should be condemned, but it's abhorrent when either side does it, it can't be 'ah we'll fund that side billions of dollars a year' as it kills hundreds of civilians year in and year out and then advocate bombing the other to rubble (again) the second it kicks back.

And spare me the 'Hamas are hiding their soldiers in public areas excuse' for Palestinian civilian casualties, if the British had flattened Catholic areas of Northern Ireland in the 1980's to try and kill off the IRA, would the US government have stood idly by saying 'the British have an absolute right to defend themselves', or sent a carrier group to the Irish sea to offer support?

So yes I condemn absolutely the targeting of civilians by Hamas this weekend, but what the region needs right now is an honest broker for peace, not someone to hold the bullies coat as they kick even more crap out of the victim who gave him a brief smack in the mouth in the middle of his 55 year long beating.

Maybe it's time to try something different than just shouting bomb it into the stone age every few years, given that approach hasn't made any progress for the last 3 decades.

You deserve a one way ticket to Gaza.  Do you realize how many Americans are being held hostage there right now.

This is what you support.  Cutting off heads of people

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=294085083421709

Locking toddlers in cages like animalshttps://x.com/Wil__liW/status/1711106764421083252?s=20.

40 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel has been occupying the bits of Palestine that were attacked Yesterday since 1967 not 1948, the UN recognises that, the requirement that they withdraw is one of vanishingly few UN Security council resolutions the US hasn't immediately thrown troops at to enforce.

False equivalence my ass, Israel has been treating the Palestinians like dogdirt for 55 years and the West wags a finger occasionally and then looks the other way. Since Netanyahu was forced into coalition with a bunch of hard right ethno-nationalists a couple of years ago, the illegal settlements have been growing at a pace not seen before, there have been pogroms and forced evictions against the native Palestinians almost constantly for the last 18 months and the US, which could bring Israel to heel at any point did nothing.

We can absolutely agree the targeting of civilians is absolutely abhorrent and should be condemned, but it's abhorrent when either side does it, it can't be 'ah we'll fund that side billions of dollars a year' as it kills hundreds of civilians year in and year out and then advocate bombing the other to rubble (again) the second it kicks back.

And spare me the 'Hamas are hiding their soldiers in public areas excuse' for Palestinian civilian casualties, if the British had flattened Catholic areas of Northern Ireland in the 1980's to try and kill off the IRA, would the US government have stood idly by saying 'the British have an absolute right to defend themselves', or sent a carrier group to the Irish sea to offer support?

So yes I condemn absolutely the targeting of civilians by Hamas this weekend, but what the region needs right now is an honest broker for peace, not someone to hold the bullies coat as they kick even more crap out of the victim who gave him a brief smack in the mouth in the middle of his 55 year long beating.

Maybe it's time to try something different than just shouting bomb it into the stone age every few years, given that approach hasn't made any progress for the last 3 decades.

The only people that treat the Palestinians worse than the Israelis are the Arabs.
 

Israel has been out of the Gaza Strip for years.

 

If you make a statement about how horrid it is to attack civilians, the entirety of your argument is invalid when you qualify that statement with a "but”.

 

If you rape and murder women and children, or you openly applaud it, then your cries for sympathy will fall on deaf ears when vengeance comes for you. 
 

They had their chance. They blew it. 

7 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

We had at least one EMB member of the old EMB who was an Israeli Army officer. We exchanged a lot of old game DVD's back in the day. I haven't seen him over here on the new EMB so as far as I know, he never made the move with us. 

If my memory is serving me, I think his member name was ilross. That was quite a few years ago, so I doubt he's still in the military, but you never know.  

I think @ilross2003 is here

On 10/7/2023 at 6:08 PM, Procus said:

 

but her emails tho, right?

 

2 hours ago, Bill said:

The only people that treat the Palestinians worse than the Israelis are the Arabs.
 

Israel has been out of the Gaza Strip for years.

 

If you make a statement about how horrid it is to attack civilians, the entirety of your argument is invalid when you qualify that statement with a "but”.

 

If you rape and murder women and children, or you openly applaud it, then your cries for sympathy will fall on deaf ears when vengeance comes for you. 
 

They had their chance. They blew it. 

Israel is classed as still occupying the Gaza strip by the UN, on the basis that it controls all its borders, airspace and access to power and water.

The fact you condemn one side attacking civilians and not the other makes your argument intellectually unsustainable, the outrage is either attacking civilians or it isn't, it can't be I object to those particular civilians being attacked but F those guys over there..

6 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel is classed as still occupying the Gaza strip by the UN, on the basis that it controls all its borders, airspace and access to power and water.

The fact you condemn one side attacking civilians and not the other makes your argument intellectually unsustainable, the outrage is either attacking civilians or it isn't, it can't be I object to those particular civilians being attacked but F those guys over there..

That's idealistic.  There's nothing ideal about the situation. Nobody wants Israel attacking Palestinian civilians but the Palestinians made it necessary in order to get to the leadership who are ordering the attacks against Israeli civilians. Israel refusing to act in kind would be suicide.  Israel is no innocent, but right now the Palestinians have given them the cover of self-defense.

25 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel is classed as still occupying the Gaza strip by the UN, on the basis that it controls all its borders, airspace and access to power and water.

The fact you condemn one side attacking civilians and not the other makes your argument intellectually unsustainable, the outrage is either attacking civilians or it isn't, it can't be I object to those particular civilians being attacked but F those guys over there..

I see you're a Limey.  More than ten Brits feared dead or missing in the conflict.  Nice of you to stand up for your own countrymen.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-767393

28 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel is classed as still occupying the Gaza strip by the UN, on the basis that it controls all its borders, airspace and access to power and water.

The fact you condemn one side attacking civilians and not the other makes your argument intellectually unsustainable, the outrage is either attacking civilians or it isn't, it can't be I object to those particular civilians being attacked but F those guys over there..

Ah yes, I remember when the IDF gang raped a bunch of women at a music festival, killed them, and then drug their bodies through the streets. 
 

Don’t you have some code pink rally that you’re late for?

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

  "Batman, we need you to give more Israeli defense intelligence to Hamas."

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel has been occupying the bits of Palestine that were attacked Yesterday since 1967 not 1948, the UN recognises that, the requirement that they withdraw is one of vanishingly few UN Security council resolutions the US hasn't immediately thrown troops at to enforce.

False equivalence my ass, Israel has been treating the Palestinians like dogdirt for 55 years and the West wags a finger occasionally and then looks the other way. Since Netanyahu was forced into coalition with a bunch of hard right ethno-nationalists a couple of years ago, the illegal settlements have been growing at a pace not seen before, there have been pogroms and forced evictions against the native Palestinians almost constantly for the last 18 months and the US, which could bring Israel to heel at any point did nothing.

We can absolutely agree the targeting of civilians is absolutely abhorrent and should be condemned, but it's abhorrent when either side does it, it can't be 'ah we'll fund that side billions of dollars a year' as it kills hundreds of civilians year in and year out and then advocate bombing the other to rubble (again) the second it kicks back.

And spare me the 'Hamas are hiding their soldiers in public areas excuse' for Palestinian civilian casualties, if the British had flattened Catholic areas of Northern Ireland in the 1980's to try and kill off the IRA, would the US government have stood idly by saying 'the British have an absolute right to defend themselves', or sent a carrier group to the Irish sea to offer support?

So yes I condemn absolutely the targeting of civilians by Hamas this weekend, but what the region needs right now is an honest broker for peace, not someone to hold the bullies coat as they kick even more crap out of the victim who gave him a brief smack in the mouth in the middle of his 55 year long beating.

Maybe it's time to try something different than just shouting bomb it into the stone age every few years, given that approach hasn't made any progress for the last 3 decades.

This isn't about history. This about a terrorist attack, genocide of civilians at Soccer match and festival, and the war crime of kidnapping American and Israeli civilians. Hamas invaded Israel and took over towns. Now Israel will be criticized for responding. Hamas needs to be totally destroyed and if civilians die so be it. This is war.

27 minutes ago, Procus said:

I see you're a Limey.  More than ten Brits feared dead or missing in the conflict.  Nice of you to stand up for your own countrymen.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-767393

I live and work in the UK I was born in America, I've explained this on the board multiple times.

Unlike you I don't think holding a couple of hundred US citizens hostage, justifies reducing an entire region and its population to rubble and destitution. I apologise if that's a more nuanced view than you're used to.

To be perfectly honest, why are American's living on the border of the Gaza strip? Are they by any chance 6th or 7th generation immigrants from Europe who've decided their religion means they somehow have more rightful claim to live in Palestine than the Palestinian who's centuries old olive grove was bulldozed to build their home? Do they deserve kidnapping? Absolutely not, were they dumb giving up a comfortable life in New York / Chicago / Los Angeles to go and live in very much contested conflict zone based on some biblical right to return? Absolutely yes.

Also it's worth noting that the Palestinians tried the peaceful route of protest earlier, in 2018 and 2019 they marched peacefully to the border posts along the Gaza strip, the Israeli response was tear gas and live rounds, they shot 229 people dead and injured 9000 others, the US response was to veto the United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding an investigation of Israeli killings of Palestinian protestors (all standing members of the security council hold a veto, you'll know this because our politicians **** like all hell whenever Russia uses theirs).

So if you've tried peaceful protest and the world turned it's back, what have you got to lose if the occupying force keeps coming back for more and more of your property, control who you can sell your produce to and consistently withdraw the basics of human existence like medicine, power and water?

So yeah again, I condemn the use of violence against civilians, especially sexual violence against women, but I condemn it from both sides of the conflict, and recognise that one begets the other in an endless cycle that will only ever be broken if the US stops turning a blind eye to one sides actions and brings both sides to the table 

 

31 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

  "Batman, we need you to give more Israeli defense intelligence to Hamas."

 

 

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel is classed as still occupying the Gaza strip by the UN, on the basis that it controls all its borders, airspace and access to power and water.

The fact you condemn one side attacking civilians and not the other makes your argument intellectually unsustainable, the outrage is either attacking civilians or it isn't, it can't be I object to those particular civilians being attacked but F those guys over there..

Ummm. Israel doesn't control all the borders. Egypt controls a border too. Where's there blame of them for not allowing the civilians to leave? 

18 hours ago, Procus said:

Your first article says judicial reform was divisive  Your second article is about protests at a Supreme Court hearing - a hearing that could never take place if the judiciary was "dissolved".  You said before that the prime minister dissolved a branch of government.

So again, explain how the Israeli PM dissolved a branch of government - because the articles you cited say nothing to that effect.

If the supreme court can't be a check on absolute power, its nothing more than ceremonial. It has been disolved as a check on Netenyahu's power and as a 3rd branch of government.  Stop trying to deflect from the original point.