October 9, 20231 yr 17 hours ago, Procus said: That's a ridiculous statement. Would you like to see a forensic audit tracing the money? In other words who needs facts and evidence when you have right wing loons ranting about it on twitter?
October 9, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Ummm. Israel doesn't control all the borders. Egypt controls a border too. Where's there blame of them for not allowing the civilians to leave? Are the Egyptians stopping the civilians from leaving? The Rafah border point can only be used for people, all food, cargo, water and power connections can only go via the Israeli controlled borders, ergo they control the essentials of life on the strip.
October 9, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, Procus said: You deserve a one way ticket to Gaza. Do you realize how many Americans are being held hostage there right now. This is what you support. Cutting off heads of people https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=294085083421709 Locking toddlers in cages like animalshttps://x.com/Wil__liW/status/1711106764421083252?s=20. They're are literally doing this in Ukraine and you've literally been cheering them on.
October 9, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Are the Egyptians stopping the civilians from leaving? The Rafah border point can only be used for people, all food, cargo, water and power connections can only go via the Israeli controlled borders, ergo they control the essentials of life on the strip. Yes. They are blocking civilains from fleeing the conflict. Why?
October 9, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: Again you don't seem to care when Trump supporters do it.
October 9, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Yes. They are blocking civilains from fleeing the conflict. Why? Ah I must admit I hadn't realised they hadn't re opened the crossing after 2021
October 9, 20231 yr Music festival revelers in the Israeli desert were massacred by Hamas militants A total of 260 people were killed at the event, according to a spokesperson for ZAKA, an Israeli nongovernmental rescue and recovery organization. Some people appeared to have been abducted, leaving loved ones unsure of their fates. American and British festivalgoers were also in the crowd, according to Israeli officials and the accounts of family members in the media. The Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, told NBC News "a few” Americans were at the festival.
October 9, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Ah I must admit I hadn't realised they hadn't re opened the crossing after 2021 Yep. Egypt closes the border because they don't want Palestinians, flooding into their country, even if it means they are killed. They hate Palestinians more than Israel, because they support the Muslim Brotherhood a direct threat to Egyptian Power.
October 9, 20231 yr U.S. says nine Americans killed in Israel, others still missing WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The United States on Monday said nine Americans were killed in Israel and other U.S. citizens were missing, following Saturday's unprecedented Hamas attack that killed 700 Israelis. "At this time, we can confirm the deaths of nine U.S. citizens," State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said in a statement. "We can confirm that there are unaccounted-for U.S. citizens, and we are working with our Israeli partners to determine their whereabouts," he added.
October 9, 20231 yr 20 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: I live and work in the UK I was born in America, I've explained this on the board multiple times. Unlike you I don't think holding a couple of hundred US citizens hostage, justifies reducing an entire region and its population to rubble and destitution. I apologise if that's a more nuanced view than you're used to. To be perfectly honest, why are American's living on the border of the Gaza strip? Are they by any chance 6th or 7th generation immigrants from Europe who've decided their religion means they somehow have more rightful claim to live in Palestine than the Palestinian who's centuries old olive grove was bulldozed to build their home? Do they deserve kidnapping? Absolutely not, were they dumb giving up a comfortable life in New York / Chicago / Los Angeles to go and live in very much contested conflict zone based on some biblical right to return? Absolutely yes. Also it's worth noting that the Palestinians tried the peaceful route of protest earlier, in 2018 and 2019 they marched peacefully to the border posts along the Gaza strip, the Israeli response was tear gas and live rounds, they shot 229 people dead and injured 9000 others, the US response was to veto the United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding an investigation of Israeli killings of Palestinian protestors (all standing members of the security council hold a veto, you'll know this because our politicians **** like all hell whenever Russia uses theirs). So if you've tried peaceful protest and the world turned it's back, what have you got to lose if the occupying force keeps coming back for more and more of your property, control who you can sell your produce to and consistently withdraw the basics of human existence like medicine, power and water? So yeah again, I condemn the use of violence against civilians, especially sexual violence against women, but I condemn it from both sides of the conflict, and recognise that one begets the other in an endless cycle that will only ever be broken if the US stops turning a blind eye to one sides actions and brings both sides to the table JFC, the 2018-19 protests weren’t Palestinians linking arms, singing kumbaya, and having a Coke and a smile. Ffs, Hamas even claimed most of those killed as their fighters. Yeah it started out as an independent protest at the border. Then after a couple of weeks Hamas got involved. Guess when people started getting killed? Hmm, that’s a thinker. Also, Egypt also closed off the Gaza Strip. It’s not just Israel. Think about that for a second. It was open all around, but when Hamas was elected both Israel AND Egypt closed the border and closed the sea and the air. You think the virtue of you having a nuanced opinion makes you intellectually superior, but while you wax at length about the topic, the knowledge you have of it is stunningly superficial.
October 9, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Americans could learn a thing or two from the people of Iran who are sick of living under a Religious dictatorship.
October 9, 20231 yr 51 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: To be perfectly honest, why are American's living on the border of the Gaza strip? Are they by any chance 6th or 7th generation immigrants from Europe who've decided their religion means they somehow have more rightful claim to live in Palestine than the Palestinian who's centuries old olive grove was bulldozed to build their home? Do they deserve kidnapping? Absolutely not, were they dumb giving up a comfortable life in New York / Chicago / Los Angeles to go and live in very much contested conflict zone based on some biblical right to return? Absolutely yes. Are the Americans that have been or will be killed living along the strip though? Has that been confirmed or stated anywhere? How about our close friends that were visiting Israel for their nephew’s bar mitzvah this week? They’re 2nd (or maybe 3rd) generation born in America and have close family that still lives in Israel. Or my wife’s Israeli family, or my BIL’s Dad who was born in Israel, moved to America, became a citizen, and moved back to Israel years later. Are those people all just dumb for giving up the comfort of their American lives and inconsequential to this war on your eyes?
October 9, 20231 yr On 10/7/2023 at 6:49 AM, Bill said: With the quality of their ADA, the amount that got through shows how many were launched. That and coordinated attacks by air and sea. Wish we took a harder stance on Iran. Edit: Ok this is bad bad. Can’t believe Israeli intelligence dropped the ball on something of this scale. Lots of gruesome images coming out of sderot. Feels Pearl Harbor-y. As in they knew and let it happen. The hard right gets their way now. But just like Putin's invasion, it's on Hamas to take that bait and run with it to commit the worst atrocities of this century.
October 9, 20231 yr "This is Israel's 9/11" And like with "9/11" Israel will be given a blank check to slaughter as many civilians as they wish. They're already setting the conditions to make acceptable the transformation of Gaza into the world's largest open air death camp.
October 9, 20231 yr I have to say, I am absolutely shocked that Abra's siding with Hamas on this one.
October 9, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, Procus said: Oh good. Russia should be on their way to support Israel.
October 9, 20231 yr Israeli Navy captures Hamas deputy commander The Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) has reported that the Navy's Shayetet 13 unit has detained Mohammed Abu Ghali, Deputy Commander of the Hamas Southern Naval Unit in Gaza. Maybe Israel should parade his naked body around like Hamas is doing with the Israeli Tatoo artist they kidnaped. Israel should kill him and trade his dead body for hostages like Hamas does.
October 9, 20231 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I have to say, I am absolutely shocked that Abra's siding with Hamas on this one. At least he's consistent. Hamas is propped up by Iran which is propped up by Russia. I can't explain Procus thinking Russia and Putin are the greatest thing since sliced bread but being mentally divorced from the fact that Russia also supports Iran and Hamas.
October 9, 20231 yr Just now, Gannan said: At least he's consistent. Hamas is propped up by Iran which is propped up by Russia. I can't explain Procus thinking Russia and Putin and the greatest thing since sliced bread but being mentally divorced from the fact that Russia also supports Iran and Hamas. Yeah, in a sane world these people would understand that they're supporting our enemy across the board, but as long as Trump doesn't make that distinction neither will his cult members.
October 9, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: At least he's consistent. Hamas is propped up by Iran which is propped up by Russia. he's a pussay that supports pussay moves by other pussays.
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