November 9, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Well, right. That’s how genocide works. Did you read the article? What's happening in Gaza is not Genocide by definition. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people due to their race or cultural background. What Hamas wants to do to Israel would be defined as Genocide. In Gaza you currently have a conflict taking place that was initiated by Hamas. Israel has legally responded to that. If war crimes are taking place in Gaza those will be prosecuted under different international laws. Regardless of all of that Hamas is still a terrorist organization and they are responsible for the current situation in Gaza. When I say currently situation I mean everything including the poverty, lack of health care or access, lack of quality education, poor living conditions, lack of water to the neighborhoods throughout Gaza, poor infrastructure, the current war, the deaths of both Israeli and Palestinians and so on. If you want to support the Palestinian cause call for the eradication of Hamas, Hezbolah, and any other terrorist organization who is currently using the Palestinian people as human shields.
November 9, 20231 yr Personally, I think it is okay to call for an end to the targeting and killing of civilians by either side. Both side seem quite happy mowing them down.
November 9, 20231 yr 6 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Personally, I think it is okay to call for an end to the targeting and killing of civilians by either side. Both side seem quite happy mowing them down. agreed, but having a mental block when it comes to acknowledging that hamas is at least partly at fault for this, is an all-time weird take.
November 9, 20231 yr 9 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: agreed, but having a mental block when it comes to acknowledging that hamas is at least partly at fault for this, is an all-time weird take. Don't laugh till you try them. They'll blow your mind.
November 9, 20231 yr 16 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: agreed, but having a mental block when it comes to acknowledging that hamas is at least partly at fault for this, is an all-time weird take. Mental illness comes in all shapes and sizes. Believe or not, there are people in this forum who want Trump to be president.
November 9, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, paco said: Ok, I couldn't help myself. One more The Sick Man of Europe
November 9, 20231 yr It’s hard to avoid civilian casualties when the terrorists use them as human shields. There’s a difference between hitting a target of military value that has civilians around and blatantly targeting civilians.
November 9, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Bill said: It’s hard to avoid civilian casualties when the terrorists use them as human shields. There’s a difference between hitting a target of military value that has civilians around and blatantly targeting civilians. It is also impossible to avoid civilian casualties when you don't care if you do.
November 9, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Bill said: It’s hard to avoid civilian casualties when the terrorists use them as human shields. There’s a difference between hitting a target of military value that has civilians around and blatantly targeting civilians. Nuance and context are really unfair to narratives that require the absence of thought.
November 9, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, Dave Moss said: I’m not necessarily against a Jewish state, but I am against murdering innocent women and children. Weird position to take I guess… Murdering women and children is what started this.
November 9, 20231 yr 6 minutes ago, Gannan said: Murdering women and children is what started this. Two wrongs don’t make a right in my mind. And if you’re killing innocent people as payback it doesn’t necessarily make you the good guy.
November 9, 20231 yr 20 minutes ago, Toastrel said: It is also impossible to avoid civilian casualties when you don't care if you do.
November 9, 20231 yr 24 minutes ago, Bill said: It’s hard to avoid civilian casualties when the terrorists use them as human shields. There’s a difference between hitting a target of military value that has civilians around and blatantly targeting civilians. Is this the part where you tell me about all the hearts and minds we won over killing terrorists in Afghanistan?
November 9, 20231 yr 13 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Two wrongs don’t make a right in my mind. And if you’re killing innocent people as payback it doesn’t necessarily make you the good guy. Were they to do nothing it would lead to the murdering of more women and children. You seem somewhat selective about which murders you care about.
November 9, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: Is this the part where you tell me about all the hearts and minds we won over killing terrorists in Afghanistan? No, this is the part where we are talking about IDF intervention against Hamas in Gaza. I believe there are already threads about AStan. Bump one of them if you want to talk about that.
November 9, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Is this the part where you tell me about all the hearts and minds we won over killing terrorists in Afghanistan? We should have stayed there and in time they'd be wearing blue jeans and eating KFC. So yeah. We were already making massive strides in that direction.
November 9, 20231 yr 19 minutes ago, Gannan said: Murdering women and children is what started this. Except that this didn’t just start on 10/07.
November 9, 20231 yr 15 minutes ago, Gannan said: Were they to do nothing it would lead to the murdering of more women and children. You seem somewhat selective about which murders you care about. So if I bring up a bunch of Palestinian babies being killed I’m being selective? More like I don’t have the blood-lust some of you guys do
November 9, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: We should have stayed there and in time they'd be wearing blue jeans and eating KFC. So yeah. We were already making massive strides in that direction. 20 years wasn’t enough time? Yeah we made massive strides in wasting a ton of money and a massive loss of lives. Dave is correct that we didn’t win the hearts and minds in OIF or OEF by continually killing innocent civilians. Patraeus had a good interview on Cuomo the other day. He basically said that a lesson learned in OEF/OIF was that you can’t kill a terrorist group if your actions recruit more members.
November 9, 20231 yr 16 minutes ago, Bill said: No, this is the part where we are talking about IDF intervention against Hamas in Gaza. I believe there are already threads about AStan. Bump one of them if you want to talk about that. Patraeus made the exact same point about Israel using lessons we learned from OEF and OIF. But what would he know?
November 9, 20231 yr 18 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: So if I bring up a bunch of Palestinian babies being killed I’m being selective? More like I don’t have the blood-lust some of you guys do It’s is an odd take considering, I’m pretty sure everyone who in here has expressed their outrage over the deaths of innocent Israelis. Bring up a dead innocent Palestinian though and you’re being selective.
November 9, 20231 yr 49 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Patraeus made the exact same point about Israel using lessons we learned from OEF and OIF. But what would he know? If Israel's invasion of Gaza eliminated Hamas I would be all for it. But Israel's wholesale bombing of an urban area with little to no designated military targets will have the opposite effect. Rinse and repeat.
November 9, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Only reason to go into New Jersey is to kick some British ass (or to buy beer on a Sunday) And kick some Giant A** once a year.
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