Wiping out Gaza is the consolation prize for the failed Russia take down. No Odessa for you!

You don't get this level of support for brutality without properly setting the stage. 

Now you know why Israel sat back and allowed this to kick off.

 

You're about to get a masterclass in targeting civilians.

More civilians will die in Gaza over the next 20 days than died in Ukraine over the past 20 months.

46 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Feels Pearl Harbor-y.  As in they knew and let it happen.  The hard right gets their way now.  But just like Putin's invasion, it's on Hamas to take that bait and run with it to commit the worst atrocities of this century.

Point of order. We didn’t know Pearl Harbor was going to happen. We cracked imperial Japan’s diplomatic code, but that didn’t give us enough time to have known it was coming and let it happen anyway. Message was decided the same day. 

2 hours ago, Gannan said:

Again you don't seem to care when Trump supporters do it.

 

Who says I don't care.  You really live in an alternate reality.

6 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

I think @ilross2003 is here

Since the tag worked, he is. I just haven't seen him in a while... or old age is setting in and my memory is failing

2 hours ago, Gannan said:

They're are literally doing this in Ukraine and you've literally been cheering them on. 

I'm not cheering anybody on.  The war in Ukraine is horrible and I've called for an end to the hostilities, unlike you.  Do you see civilians in Russia or Ukraine cheering on beheadings and mayhem the way they did in Gaza?

1 hour ago, Abracadabra said:

"This is Israel's 9/11"

And like with "9/11" Israel will be given a blank check to slaughter as many civilians as they wish. 

They're already setting the conditions to make acceptable the transformation of Gaza into the world's largest open air death camp. 

 

 

I don't want to see innocent people killed. They were warned to get out and I think they should listen. The "measured response" people are going to have to deal with what is coming. I'm not saying I agree with it, but if Tijuana was tossing rockets into San Diego for the last few decades and just launched an attack like this murdering and kidnapping women and children very few Americans would be saying let's make sure the response is measured.

2 hours ago, Gannan said:

If the supreme court can't be a check on absolute power, its nothing more than ceremonial. It has been disolved as a check on Netenyahu's power and as a 3rd branch of government.  Stop trying to deflect from the original point. 

No.  You're full of crap on at least two points:

1.  The PM didn't enact a check on the Supreme Court review based on reasonableness grounds - that was the Knesset.

2.  The Supreme Court in Israel unilaterally and illegally usurped power under Aharon Barak in the 1990's and never relinquished it.  This was never a problem until he became president of the Supreme Court. 

You seriously need to stop posting MSNBC talking points.  You just look foolish, not to mention looking ignorant.  I would never want my kids educated by a loon like you.

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I live and work in the UK I was born in America, I've explained this on the board multiple times.

Unlike you I don't think holding a couple of hundred US citizens hostage, justifies reducing an entire region and its population to rubble and destitution. I apologise if that's a more nuanced view than you're used to.

To be perfectly honest, why are American's living on the border of the Gaza strip? Are they by any chance 6th or 7th generation immigrants from Europe who've decided their religion means they somehow have more rightful claim to live in Palestine than the Palestinian who's centuries old olive grove was bulldozed to build their home? Do they deserve kidnapping? Absolutely not, were they dumb giving up a comfortable life in New York / Chicago / Los Angeles to go and live in very much contested conflict zone based on some biblical right to return? Absolutely yes.

Also it's worth noting that the Palestinians tried the peaceful route of protest earlier, in 2018 and 2019 they marched peacefully to the border posts along the Gaza strip, the Israeli response was tear gas and live rounds, they shot 229 people dead and injured 9000 others, the US response was to veto the United Nations Security Council resolutions demanding an investigation of Israeli killings of Palestinian protestors (all standing members of the security council hold a veto, you'll know this because our politicians **** like all hell whenever Russia uses theirs).

So if you've tried peaceful protest and the world turned it's back, what have you got to lose if the occupying force keeps coming back for more and more of your property, control who you can sell your produce to and consistently withdraw the basics of human existence like medicine, power and water?

So yeah again, I condemn the use of violence against civilians, especially sexual violence against women, but I condemn it from both sides of the conflict, and recognise that one begets the other in an endless cycle that will only ever be broken if the US stops turning a blind eye to one sides actions and brings both sides to the table 

 

You're basically a communist loon.

3 minutes ago, Procus said:

You're basically a communist loon.

Must because you are a loon, does not mean you have any insight into others. You think you do, but you're a loon.

7 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Israel has been occupying the bits of Palestine that were attacked Yesterday since 1967 not 1948, the UN recognises that, the requirement that they withdraw is one of vanishingly few UN Security council resolutions the US hasn't immediately thrown troops at to enforce.

False equivalence my ass, Israel has been treating the Palestinians like dogdirt for 55 years and the West wags a finger occasionally and then looks the other way. Since Netanyahu was forced into coalition with a bunch of hard right ethno-nationalists a couple of years ago, the illegal settlements have been growing at a pace not seen before, there have been pogroms and forced evictions against the native Palestinians almost constantly for the last 18 months and the US, which could bring Israel to heel at any point did nothing.

We can absolutely agree the targeting of civilians is absolutely abhorrent and should be condemned, but it's abhorrent when either side does it, it can't be 'ah we'll fund that side billions of dollars a year' as it kills hundreds of civilians year in and year out and then advocate bombing the other to rubble (again) the second it kicks back.

And spare me the 'Hamas are hiding their soldiers in public areas excuse' for Palestinian civilian casualties, if the British had flattened Catholic areas of Northern Ireland in the 1980's to try and kill off the IRA, would the US government have stood idly by saying 'the British have an absolute right to defend themselves', or sent a carrier group to the Irish sea to offer support?

So yes I condemn absolutely the targeting of civilians by Hamas this weekend, but what the region needs right now is an honest broker for peace, not someone to hold the bullies coat as they kick even more crap out of the victim who gave him a brief smack in the mouth in the middle of his 55 year long beating.

Maybe it's time to try something different than just shouting bomb it into the stone age every few years, given that approach hasn't made any progress for the last 3 decades.

Reality is there will never be peace between the groups. Israel does not handle things well all the time, but they are surrounded by groups who not only want their land, but them erased from existence. There will never be peace. Ever. Your post sounded like a Squad member wrote it for you.The hatred goes back thousands of years, so the arrogance to assume we can be the ones to finally solve it peacefully is astounding.

Israel orders total siege of Gaza; nine Americans confirmed dead in Hamas attack

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-live-updates.html

Maybe some people here will care, since there are dead Americans.

1 hour ago, Bill said:

Point of order. We didn’t know Pearl Harbor was going to happen. We cracked imperial Japan’s diplomatic code, but that didn’t give us enough time to have known it was coming and let it happen anyway. Message was decided the same day. 

And I expect a similar controversial narrative to seep out of this that the protectionist Russia/Iran/right wing nutjobs of the western alliance will throw gas on.  But at the end of the day the brutality inflicted on civilians, a rave, a soccer match (do NOT mess with soccer!) is going to leave the Palestinians without a single full throated ally, just like Russia.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is based in Qatar. Israel should send the Mossad after him dead or alive. They then can trade him for hostages.

26 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Reality is there will never be peace between the groups. Israel does not handle things well all the time, but they are surrounded by groups who not only want their land, but them erased from existence. There will never be peace. Ever. Your post sounded like a Squad member wrote it for you.The hatred goes back thousands of years, so the arrogance to assume we can be the ones to finally solve it peacefully is astounding.

Religion for the win, oh wait. 

Congratulations to @Abracadabra for finding a second thread to be gay in!

32 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is based in Qatar. Israel should send the Mossad after him dead or alive. They then can trade him for hostages.

Maybe it's already in the works for all we know

The Freedom fighters speak.

Hamas military spokesman says it will kill a civilian hostage any time Israel targets Gaza civilians without warning

Per the AP, a military spokesman for Hamas says the group will kill a civilian hostage any time Israel targets Gaza civilians without warning.

Broadcasting it is pretty insane

2 hours ago, Abracadabra said:

You pull for Hamas & Putin because your a dove.  Bold move Cotton.  Anyways Peaches Israel doesn't need US aid, they just need to be let off the leash.