2 hours ago, Gannan said:

That was Bill Maher's point on Friday when he called out the far left. 

That’s his schtick

51 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

No mohammed and Islam are the problem. Israel is just an excuse

I agree. I don’t think anyone here could honestly accuse me of being an apologist for Islam.

But the fact remains that the extremism we see today did not always exist. In modern times, it’s actually relatively recent. Places like Beirut and Tehran used to be legitimate cultural centers and relatively westernized. We’ve actually lost ground in the post war era.

1 hour ago, Shepard Wong said:

@Reddensays thanks.  More for him.

pound for pound I could outshag @Redden six birds to one

40 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

That’s his schtick

 

57 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Well, he died 1400 years ago

off the top of your head or did you google that?

1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said:

off the top of your head or did you google that?

Google.  I honestly thought it was the 700s, but I was off by 100 years

3 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said:

 

 

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

 

What's with the three asterisks? Is this a game of ha___an?

6 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

 

Welp, game over.  Everything Maher says is automatically incorrect now that you've dug up this bad joke.

You've outdone yourself this time digging up this gem to go along with the Ottoman Empire.  You might need to take a rest to recuperate.

15 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

I understand the dynamics at stake.  Regardless of motivations one side is building a settlement outside their border and then claiming it’s for defense.  Then they build another settlement outside their border and claim it’s for defense.  And then another.  And another.  And the U.S. has been the biggest cheerleader of this process since 1967.  In fact I’d argue it’s one of the handful of things Republicans and Democrats actually agree upon.

Because instead of building Gaza, hamas was building rockets

10 hours ago, TEW said:

I agree. I don’t think anyone here could honestly accuse me of being an apologist for Islam.

But the fact remains that the extremism we see today did not always exist. In modern times, it’s actually relatively recent. Places like Beirut and Tehran used to be legitimate cultural centers and relatively westernized. We’ve actually lost ground in the post war era.

Because of Islam

even relatively quiet islamic nations have fallen well behind modern society and then detract from modern nations with their culture.

9 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Of course, but not that you let it hinder the mission or create some irrational attachment to nonviolence. Avoidance isnt progress or a solution.
 

you seem to do that last part as im thinking of your arguments against dropping nukes on japan in ww2…

21 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Because of Islam

even relatively quiet islamic nations have fallen well behind modern society and then detract from modern nations with their culture.

Again, I agree that Islam is quite obviously a negative. You’re talking to the guy who refers to Mohammad as the pedophile prophet. You’re talking to the guy who would ban Muslims from entering western nations. If I could push a button and eradicate Islam from the minds of every person on earth, I would slam it repeatedly for days on end just to make sure it worked.

But with that said, we can actually look at the Islamic world, and it didn’t always have this terrorist element. There were numerous cities that were quite modern even into the second half of the 20th century. So it isn’t as simple as just saying it’s all because of Islam, because these cities had Islam and were modern and significantly westernized.

This started to change in the post war period, and we’d be lying if we claimed the creation of Israel wasn’t at least one of the catalysts for this change.

31 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Of course, but not that you let it hinder the mission or create some irrational attachment to nonviolence. Avoidance isnt progress or a solution.
 

you seem to do that last part as im thinking of your arguments against dropping nukes on japan in ww2…

 The dude was literally in the military and saw combat in the ME. You'd have to be an absolute ass-clown of a human being to think you're in a qualified position to say he has an irrational attachment to non-violence.

You sound like a middle schooler who thinks he has all the world's most complex problems figured out, grow the F up.

morning everyone, happy monday. 

26 minutes ago, TEW said:

Again, I agree that Islam is quite obviously a negative. You’re talking to the guy who refers to Mohammad as the pedophile prophet. You’re talking to the guy who would ban Muslims from entering western nations. If I could push a button and eradicate Islam from the minds of every person on earth, I would slam it repeatedly for days on end just to make sure it worked.

But with that said, we can actually look at the Islamic world, and it didn’t always have this terrorist element. There were numerous cities that were quite modern even into the second half of the 20th century. So it isn’t as simple as just saying it’s all because of Islam, because these cities had Islam and were modern and significantly westernized.

This started to change in the post war period, and we’d be lying if we claimed the creation of Israel wasn’t at least one of the catalysts for this change.

Cultures than are primitive and get marginalized often get hostile and violent. We should not cave to that and give it legitimacy that its doesnt deserve. Instead you erase it.

27 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 The dude was literally in the military and saw combat in the ME. You'd have to be an absolute ass-clown of a human being to think you're in a qualified position to say he has an irrational attachment to non-violence.

You sound like a middle schooler who thinks he has all the world's most complex problems figured out, grow the F up.

Quiet, stumpy, there are grown men talking

30 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Quiet, stumpy, there are grown men talking

We ain't talking about insects, Edgar. Stop pretending like the solution to a conflict that's raged for centuries is as simple as dropping a bunch of bombs on buildings, and then insult a literal combat vetaran for being a pacifist when they disagree with that hot take. I'm sure you think it sounds cool in your head, but it doesn't make you come across as a grown man, it makes you look a moron who can't see the limits of his own ignorance.

13 hours ago, TEW said:

It’s a bit of a chicken/egg situation. Islamic extremism has ebbed and flowed since Mohammed gave rise to Islam. The creation of Israel in part gave rise to the extremism we see today.

The creation of Israel had nothing to do with the formation of Hamas. Unless you count that Hamas claims it does. Israel was formed at least 50 years before Hamas. The Palestinians had worked out multiple solutions to this problem in the 90s. Hamas blew all of them up.

The only reason Hamas violence is connected in anyway at all to the formation of Israel is because they say it is and some of the world believes them.

Hamas will use any excuse they can find to continue their legacy of terrorism. They are terrorists that's what they do. Their mission and stated goal is unrealistic, unachievable, and quite honestly stupid. Israel is not going anywhere. Get over it and learn to get along with your neighbors.

Islamic extremism is a scourge and needs to be eradicated. Regular Muslims across the world should be rising up against it too. These groups have done nothing to help Muslims overall. They have infact isolated much of the Islamic world. Rather than progress Islamic goals terror groups have largely marginalized, oppressed, and often slaughtered their own people.

Ironically someone previously pointed out that The Palestinians can't stand up to Hamas because they will be shot. That's the point here. Hamas needs to go and the Palestinians need to be a part of that process.

The Palestinian need to denounce terrorism and extremism as a political tool. It's not going to work now any more than it worked in the past. If they do this Hamas will soon lose control of Gaza and this will be over a lot sooner.

 

Free the Hostages!!!

27 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Free the Hostages!!!

That's a great point.

ALL OF THESE PRO PALESTINIAN PROTESTERS should be screaming that as loud as they can. Release the hostages Hamas. Your stupidity is killing Palestinians.

Instead they are ripping down flyers featuring images of the hostages.

29 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

That's a great point.

ALL OF THESE PRO PALESTINIAN PROTESTERS should be screaming that as loud as they can. Release the hostages Hamas. Your stupidity is killing Palestinians.

Instead they are ripping down flyers featuring images of the hostages.

Yup. There’s a huge difference between supporting Palestinians and supporting Hamas. Palestinians aren’t holding over 100 innocent people hostage, Hamas is. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/13/middleeast/gaza-babies-incubators-al-shifa-hospital-israel-intl-hnk/index.html

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Premature babies at Gaza’s largest hospital are being wrapped in foil and placed next to hot water in a desperate bid to keep them alive in "catastrophic” conditions, the hospital director has warned, as Israeli firepower pounds surrounding streets and remaining fuel reserves dry up, leaving the facility unable to function.

Staff at the Al-Shifa hospital were fighting to keep the newborns alive after oxygen supplies ran out and they had to move the babies by hand from the neonatal unit’s incubators to a different part of the hospital.

"There is no more water, food, milk for children and babies… the situation in the hospital is catastrophic,” the director of the medical center, Dr. Muhammad Abu Salmiya, told CNN on Monday.

 

The director said to Al-Araby TV on Sunday that the babies were "now exposed” because medical staff had been forced to move them from the neonatal unit’s incubators.

"We wrap them in foil and put hot water next to them so that we can warm them,” he added.

 

Images show several newborn babies who were taken from incubators at the hospital placed helplessly together in one bed.

 

The doctor said that several children had died in the in