November 14, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, paco said: Israel shows alleged Hamas ‘armory’ under children’s hospital in Gaza. Local health officials dismiss the claims 1) "Local health officials dismiss the claims". Honest question, are these health officials Hamas or independant. 2) Just goes to show you how far Hamas uses the population as a shield. It's very important from a propaganda standpoint because it gets all the useful idiots to garner sympathy for them. It will be difficult but every member of Hamas must be removed. I was wondering the same thing (#1) Just speculating, these hospital officials may have a "handler" with them at all times. They may or may not have any loyalty to Hamas but just saying or doing whatever they have to.
November 14, 20231 yr 14 minutes ago, paco said: Israel shows alleged Hamas ‘armory’ under children’s hospital in Gaza. Local health officials dismiss the claims 1) "Local health officials dismiss the claims". Honest question, are these health officials Hamas or independant. 2) Just goes to show you how far Hamas uses the population as a shield. It's very important from a propaganda standpoint because it gets all the useful idiots to garner sympathy for them. It will be difficult but every member of Hamas must be removed. Nothing coming out of Gaza is independent of Hamas propaganda right now I would imagine. In the video I saw the tunnel was well developed, had power running to it through a sophisticated set up and was filled with signs of Hamas activity. There is no way the IDF threw that together to make it look like Hamas built it. I would imagine that the more professional your life and career are in Gaza the more controlled you are by Hamas. "Officials" in any sector are going to be the most directly connected to Hamas for sure.
November 14, 20231 yr 36 minutes ago, paco said: That reminds me, I have an appointment Friday at the CVS minute clinic for them to look at my bung hole. you're falling for this gag, again ? well told you the last time, cashiers don't perform those exams.
November 14, 20231 yr 42 minutes ago, paco said: Israel shows alleged Hamas ‘armory’ under children’s hospital in Gaza. Local health officials dismiss the claims 1) "Local health officials dismiss the claims". Honest question, are these health officials Hamas or independant. 2) Just goes to show you how far Hamas uses the population as a shield. It's very important from a propaganda standpoint because it gets all the useful idiots to garner sympathy for them. It will be difficult but every member of Hamas must be removed. "local health officials" aka Hamas
November 14, 20231 yr 19 hours ago, Toastrel said: There was a deal during the Clinton years that gave the Arabs there most of what they wanted. They turned it down, like they turned down citizenship. Of course, being non-Jews, perhaps being a citizen of a Jewish state is not that palatable.? Clinton's deal was more or less a two-state solution Palestine rejected in 1948. There is no solution agreeable to both sides of the conflict. They fight, eventually agree to terms to ceasefire, only to erupt in war at a later time.
November 14, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said: Their faces though. Got to love AI. they seem happier in my shed... er... shed(s)
November 14, 20231 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: And we have successfully turned the Israel thread into the AI chearleader thread.
November 14, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said: I don't like the way the A.I. elected to separate my chocolate and vanilla. When it comes to cheerleaders, I'd prefer them swirled like soft serve.
November 14, 20231 yr 9 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said: And we have successfully turned the Israel thread into the AI chearleader thread. Thanks. I'll be here all week fortnight month year olympiad decade millennium I'll see you all in hell
November 14, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, EagleFan85 said: Do they currently have a better option on the table? 7 hours ago, Shepard Wong said: So you are arguing that they prefer being human shields for Hamas than having to "leave their homes, turn on their fellow citizens and own people to support the forces bombing or shelling them". According to your post, they are willing human shields then? 7 hours ago, EagleFan85 said: Exactly. At some point it comes down to self preservation here. I’m saying Palestinians don’t have the same world view we do. They didn’t grow up in suburbia USA where, for the most part, we only see bombings and real conflicts on television broadcast from far away places. They are not the same as us, don’t expect them to react how we think they should. They probably don’t even consider themselves as human shields to the extent we see them being used as. Survival is probably all they are worried about, surviving the missile strikes launched by Israel (so why would they run to them for help) and not pissing off the dirtbags hamas, who they’ve already witnessed killing anything that smells like a traitor.
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November 14, 20231 yr 12 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: I’m saying Palestinians don’t have the same world view we do. They didn’t grow up in suburbia USA where, for the most part, we only see bombings and real conflicts on television broadcast from far away places. They are not the same as us, don’t expect them to react how we think they should. They probably don’t even consider themselves as human shields to the extent we see them being used as. Survival is probably all they are worried about, surviving the missile strikes launched by Israel (so why would they run to them for help) and not pissing off the dirtbags hamas, who they’ve already witnessed killing anything that smells like a traitor. There is something beginning to build up in Gaza. I hear some of you in this thread claiming that this is impossible. But it is happening none the less. Gazans turn on Hamas as food shortage fuels disorder Desperate Palestinians have begun attacking Hamas security forces as tensions grow in Gaza over chronic shortages of food, water and medicine. In rare acts of defiance, Gazans hurled rocks at Hamas police who tried to jump a queue for water, and openly insulted Hamas officials, witnesses said. The clashes suggest that Hamas’s authoritarian rule is beginning to crumble and that locals hold it at least partly to blame for the humanitarian crisis brought about by the Israeli invasion. The signs of mounting dissent were revealed by Gazans who spoke to the Associated Press news agency. They described a breakdown in law and order brought on by food shortages, with fights breaking out in bread queues. People were carrying knives and sticks to protect themselves, they said. One Gazan who was scolded by a Hamas officer for trying to jump a bread queue hit the accuser over the head with a chair, according to an aid worker standing in the line. A woman said her nephew, a father of five in the urban Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza, was stabbed after being accused of jumping a water queue. "Everywhere you go, you see tension in the eyes of people,” said Yousef Hammash, an aid worker with the Norwegian Refugee Council in the southern town of Khan Younis. "You can tell they are at a breaking point.” Some Gazans have lost their fear of Hamas, whose security forces normally police the territory with an iron fist. Over the past few nights in Gaza City, hundreds of residents at one UN shelter decried Hamas each time the group fired salvoes of rockets overhead towards Israel. They said they wanted the war to end, according to a witness sheltering there with his family. During a televised press conference on Tuesday, a young man with a bandaged wrist pushed his way through the crowd to disrupt a speech by Iyad Bozum, a spokesman for the Hamas-run interior ministry. "May God hold you to account, Hamas!” he yelled, shaking his wounded hand.
November 14, 20231 yr 9 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said: There is something beginning to build up in Gaza. I hear some of you in this thread claiming that this is impossible. But it is happening none the less. Gazans turn on Hamas as food shortage fuels disorder Desperate Palestinians have begun attacking Hamas security forces as tensions grow in Gaza over chronic shortages of food, water and medicine. In rare acts of defiance, Gazans hurled rocks at Hamas police who tried to jump a queue for water, and openly insulted Hamas officials, witnesses said. The clashes suggest that Hamas’s authoritarian rule is beginning to crumble and that locals hold it at least partly to blame for the humanitarian crisis brought about by the Israeli invasion. The signs of mounting dissent were revealed by Gazans who spoke to the Associated Press news agency. They described a breakdown in law and order brought on by food shortages, with fights breaking out in bread queues. People were carrying knives and sticks to protect themselves, they said. One Gazan who was scolded by a Hamas officer for trying to jump a bread queue hit the accuser over the head with a chair, according to an aid worker standing in the line. A woman said her nephew, a father of five in the urban Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza, was stabbed after being accused of jumping a water queue. "Everywhere you go, you see tension in the eyes of people,” said Yousef Hammash, an aid worker with the Norwegian Refugee Council in the southern town of Khan Younis. "You can tell they are at a breaking point.” Some Gazans have lost their fear of Hamas, whose security forces normally police the territory with an iron fist. Over the past few nights in Gaza City, hundreds of residents at one UN shelter decried Hamas each time the group fired salvoes of rockets overhead towards Israel. They said they wanted the war to end, according to a witness sheltering there with his family. During a televised press conference on Tuesday, a young man with a bandaged wrist pushed his way through the crowd to disrupt a speech by Iyad Bozum, a spokesman for the Hamas-run interior ministry. "May God hold you to account, Hamas!” he yelled, shaking his wounded hand. Good for them. I never disagreed that was what would be best for the Palestinians. They still didn’t run out of their houses at 7 am on day one like you said you would have…
November 14, 20231 yr 12 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Good for them. I never disagreed that was what would be best for the Palestinians. They still didn’t run out of their houses at 7 am on day one like you said you would have… Okay. You're point? That's just what I would have done because there was no doubt about what was coming. If I'm there in Gaza with an Islamic world view my best hope the morning of Oct 7 is to get south and hope that maybe Egypt eventually lets us in. The point is simply that it is very possible and also very realistic to suggest that the people who are in Gaza will need to be a part of whatever ends up helping them. Maybe this latest mess that Hamas has created for them will be the straw the breaks the camels back so to speak. It would be a good thing for Palestinians in the long run if Hamas is eliminated.
November 14, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said: ...the straw the breaks the camels back... careful...
November 14, 20231 yr 9 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said: Okay. You're point? That's just what I would have done because there was no doubt about what was coming. If I'm there in Gaza with an Islamic world view my best hope the morning of Oct 7 is to get south and hope that maybe Egypt eventually lets us in. The point is simply that it is very possible and also very realistic to suggest that the people who are in Gaza will need to be a part of whatever ends up helping them. Maybe this latest mess that Hamas has created for them will be the straw the breaks the camels back so to speak. It would be a good thing for Palestinians in the long run if Hamas is eliminated. Yeah sure… THOUSANDS of years of religious fighting between 2 groups of people is all going to be fixed now. Palestinians, for the most part, probably know hamas sucks and needs to go, but they still hate Israel.
November 14, 20231 yr 44 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: I’m saying Palestinians don’t have the same world view we do. They didn’t grow up in suburbia USA where, for the most part, we only see bombings and real conflicts on television broadcast from far away places. They are not the same as us, don’t expect them to react how we think they should. They probably don’t even consider themselves as human shields to the extent we see them being used as. Survival is probably all they are worried about, surviving the missile strikes launched by Israel (so why would they run to them for help) and not pissing off the dirtbags hamas, who they’ve already witnessed killing anything that smells like a traitor. I'm not expecting them to think like us. Hell, most of "us' are too f'n stupid to think at all. Between the MAGAts and the brain dead morons we're wasting higher education on, it's hard to be optimistic about our country's future at all, let alone Israel and the Palestinians. Depression over the state of the American populace aside, I'm expecting, or at least hoping, for Palestinians to think and act like the countless other populations that have rebelled against oppressive regimes. It is befuddling that people treat Palestinians like brain damaged children unable to decide or act on what's best for themselves and this isn't meant as a shot at you. This has been going on for decades.
November 14, 20231 yr 5 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Yeah sure… THOUSANDS of years of religious fighting between 2 groups of people is all going to be fixed now. Palestinians, for the most part, probably know hamas sucks and needs to go, but they still hate Israel. Then maybe, just maybe, like everyone else in the world, they need to live or die by the consequences of their beliefs and their resulting actions.
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