2 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

I'm not expecting them to think like us.  Hell, most of "us' are too f'n stupid to think at all.  Between the MAGAts and the brain dead morons we're wasting higher education on, it's hard to be optimistic about our country's future at all, let alone Israel and the Palestinians. 

Depression over the state of the American populace aside,  I'm expecting, or at least hoping, for Palestinians to think and act like the countless other populations that have rebelled against oppressive regimes.  It is befuddling that people treat Palestinians like brain damaged children unable to decide or act on what's best for themselves and this isn't meant as a shot at you.  This has been going on for decades. 

 

This has been going on for millennials (is that an actual word for "thousands of years”?). 
 

Sure Hamas may get disposed of, they need to be… but the Palestinians will still hate the Israelis.

27 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

That's just what I would have done

You have no clue what you would have done, none. 

1 minute ago, MidMoFo said:

This has been going on for millennials (is that an actual word for "thousands of years”?). 
 

Sure Hamas may get disposed of, they need to be… but the Palestinians will still hate the Israelis.

Correct, which again is why everyone needs to stop pretending that Palestinians are innocent bystanders caught between waring factions.  Wherever Palestinians have gone, hatred and violence toward Israel and Jews has followed.  It's who they are.  It's why they elected Hamas.  It's why Hamas, if eradicated somehow, will be replaced by other POSs tasked with the same job, killing Israelis.  

7 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

This has been going on for millennials (is that an actual word for "thousands of years”?). 
 

Sure Hamas may get disposed of, they need to be… but the Palestinians will still hate the Israelis.

Also, it's millennia.  Not a word that gets used often.

52 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

Yeah sure… THOUSANDS of years of religious fighting between 2 groups of people is all going to be fixed now. 

Palestinians, for the most part, probably know hamas sucks and needs to go, but they still hate Israel. 
 

The Islamic world is HUGE. There are many Islamic nations who have desired to normalize relations with Israel for a long time. There were also a lot of Muslims throughout North Africa that helped hide Jews during the Holocaust. The history of Islam and Judaism is not a blanket of violence. It is more like a patwork quilt of relations between numerous tribes, groups and nations. Some good some not so good. Pretty much like most other nations across the world.

Iran is probably most to blame for the Palestinians not having a legitimate state by now. They have been funding the violence for decades through groups like Hamas, Hezbolah and other extremist groups. These groups represent Iranian interests and use the Palestinians in an attempt to further Iranian interests throughout the region. Attacks like October 7th and the suicide bombers in the 90s always seem to happen when cooperation is close.

Iran can't afford to have Peace between Israel and other Islamic Nations. Especially Saudi Arabia. Ironically October 7 stopped a meeting between Israel and the Saudis seeking to normalize relations. Saudi Arabia and Iran are pretty bitter enemies and Iran doesn't want Saudi Influence in the Region even slightly.

 

 

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

You have no clue what you would have done, none. 

Bombs are going to start falling in a matter of hours.

Hmmm let me see here. What ever should I do?

I know. I will just stay right here.

Are you insane dude?

It's a simple question. What would you do if you know bombs are coming? Die sitting still in your house? Or GTFO and give yourself and your family at least a chance to get away from the bombs. 

Maybe you don't know what you would do. Maybe claiming that common sense would not play a part in someone's decision just helps a narrative. It is what it is.

Personally if I know bombs are coming I'm GTFO without question. Does that mean I live? Nope, not at all. But I certainly am not sitting on my ass waiting for a bomb to fall on my head.

Not sure where Palestinians civilians can even go when Egypt and other countries refuse to take them in. Would be curious to see how many of those who are adamant the palestinians should've fled instantly, would also be the same ones complaining about illegal immigration at our southern border. 

Audio of a kid calling his parents proud that he killed 10 Jews

https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/s/P10NkakqcB

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not sure where Palestinians civilians can even go when Egypt and other countries refuse to take them in. Would be curious to see how many of those who are adamant the palestinians should've fled instantly, would also be the same ones complaining about illegal immigration at our southern border. 

That's where this gets tricky for sure. Egypt didn't want to let them in because they don't want Hamas in Egypt. I think they have started to let some people through the border. Not sure if they are letting any refugees in or if they are just letting people with other citizenships out.

But I bet it would be a lot safer the farther south one goes even if you can't necessarily get through the border. One thing is for sure. Most of any aid coming in is going to come in through that border. If you happen to wake up in Gaza head south as soon as possible it's most likely the best chance you got.

49 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

Bombs are going to start falling in a matter of hours.

Hmmm let me see here. What ever should I do?

I know. I will just stay right here.

Are you insane dude?

It's a simple question. What would you do if you know bombs are coming? Die sitting still in your house? Or GTFO and give yourself and your family at least a chance to get away from the bombs. 

Maybe you don't know what you would do. Maybe claiming that common sense would not play a part in someone's decision just helps a narrative. It is what it is.

Personally if I know bombs are coming I'm GTFO without question. Does that mean I live? Nope, not at all. But I certainly am not sitting on my ass waiting for a bomb to fall on my head.

Says a guy sitting behind a keyboard in the safety of his own home. 

I do have an idea what I would do when bombs start to fall. The first few times it would buckle my knees and I would ish myself, but after awhile it would become a part of life and wouldn’t bat an eye for anything less than a small nuke. Doesn’t take long, I would imagine being around it all of your life makes it second nature. I still don’t claim to have clue what it’s like to live, for either side, in the ME. I never had to pick between leaving it all behind or stay and risk losing it all. It has zero to do with common sense, there is nothing common about their situation. 

Why do Jews stay there and risk their lives? Especially those with dual citizenship. If I had a choice between living among a bunch of terrorists who want to kill me or going back to the safety of my other country, I’d pick the latter. But that’s me, I have no clue how Israelis feel, and Im sure it has sadly become a part of their lives too. 

15 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not sure where Palestinians civilians can even go when Egypt and other countries refuse to take them in. Would be curious to see how many of those who are adamant the palestinians should've fled instantly, would also be the same ones complaining about illegal immigration at our southern border. 

This is the unfortunate reality for Palestinians.  Jordan isn’t going down that road again and Egypt has made it clear they won’t take them in.  Countries that have taken them in previously have all suffered from cultural and political instability because of it.  

12 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Says a guy sitting behind a keyboard in the safety of his own home. 

I do have an idea what I would do when bombs start to fall. The first few times it would buckle my knees and I would ish myself, but after awhile it would become a part of life and wouldn’t bat an eye for anything less than a small nuke. Doesn’t take long, I would imagine being around it all of your life makes it second nature. I still don’t claim to have clue what it’s like to live, for either side, in the ME. I never had to pick between leaving it all behind or stay and risk losing it all. It has zero to do with common sense, there is nothing common about their situation. 

Why do Jews stay there and risk their lives? Especially those with dual citizenship. If I had a choice between living among a bunch of terrorists who want to kill me or going back to the safety of my other country, I’d pick the latter. But that’s me, I have no clue how Israelis feel, and Im sure it has sadly become a part of their lives too. 

What happened on October 7th was not you average run of the mill terrorist attack. I think the point I was making had a lot more to do with the response under that particular circumstance. October 7th was a declaration of war and knowing that if you are living in said conditions do you stay put or do you make a move. A few hours after the attacks Israel responded with their own declaration of war. At that point you know this is going to be different than a few bombs here and there. Most of Gaza is essentially going to become the battlefield.

As I said, this was not your run of the mill terrorist attack.

As for shitting yourself, Im not suggesting that I dont understand what you are attempting to say here. Unless you been in it you have no idea what you would do. I partly agree and partly disagree. Remember in this case there was time between the attacks and when Israel started bombing. You were not making these decisions under fire so to speak. There was plenty of time to consider what was coming. You even had plenty of time to ISH in the bucket in the corner of your room rather than your pants. This way you can make a decision about what is best for you and your family while wearing a clean pair of shorts. Overall as you said, this conflict has become a part of life and thus you know very well that October 7th was not your average everyday run of the mill terrorist attack. 

 

 

56 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not sure where Palestinians civilians can even go when Egypt and other countries refuse to take them in. 

Why do you think that is?

20 minutes ago, Bill said:

Why do you think that is?

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just pointing out the limited options the non-Hamas-supporting civilians have. Sometimes packing up and finding somewhere else to live isn't quite as easy as it sounds considering the circumstances. Like I said, it's not that different to those fleeing cartel controlled territory in central america. Just wondering if the same people who wring their hands about our southern border crisis would now see things in a different light given how tough of a situation some of these people find themselves in.

1 hour ago, EagleFan85 said:

That's where this gets tricky for sure. Egypt didn't want to let them in because they don't want Hamas in Egypt. I think they have started to let some people through the border. Not sure if they are letting any refugees in or if they are just letting people with other citizenships out.

But I bet it would be a lot safer the farther south one goes even if you can't necessarily get through the border. One thing is for sure. Most of any aid coming in is going to come in through that border. If you happen to wake up in Gaza head south as soon as possible it's most likely the best chance you got.

Seems like you kinda missed the point.

2 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

This has been going on for millennials (is that an actual word for "thousands of years”?). 
 

Sure Hamas may get disposed of, they need to be… but the Palestinians will still hate the Israelis.

Millennia is the word.

Millennium is one thousand years, millennia is the plural.

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not sure where Palestinians civilians can even go when Egypt and other countries refuse to take them in. Would be curious to see how many of those who are adamant the palestinians should've fled instantly, would also be the same ones complaining about illegal immigration at our southern border. 

They’re going to go to Europe and the US, like always.

Then we are going to act shocked when college kids are screaming death to Israel.

3 hours ago, EagleFan85 said:

Bombs are going to start falling in a matter of hours.

Hmmm let me see here. What ever should I do?

I know. I will just stay right here.

Are you insane dude?

It's a simple question. What would you do if you know bombs are coming? Die sitting still in your house? Or GTFO and give yourself and your family at least a chance to get away from the bombs. 

Maybe you don't know what you would do. Maybe claiming that common sense would not play a part in someone's decision just helps a narrative. It is what it is.

Personally if I know bombs are coming I'm GTFO without question. Does that mean I live? Nope, not at all. But I certainly am not sitting on my ass waiting for a bomb to fall on my head.

You’re a Monday morning quarterback here… They didn’t KNOW bombs were coming. Sure, they could assume retaliation for the Hamas attack was coming, but they didn’t know where or how severe. Maybe you would run like a bish from your house at the first sign of trouble, maybe you don’t have anything worth fighting for or never earned it to begin with. Personally, I wouldn’t leave my house that easily.

I don’t think there is a rational outcome possible to this situation. The only reason Israel hasn’t completely leveled Gaza into a parking lot is because the US and other allies have told them they can’t do that. The only reason Iran and other countries that hate Israel haven’t joined the fight and gone after Israel is because the US and other allies have said you can’t do that.

This is a real good example of why the world can’t afford the US to have F-king fascist **** as president.

My grandfather was a lifelong liberal and spent 20 years in the Marines. Got in as a Private, got out as a Captain. In Vietnam he was Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations. 
 

He was staunchly against intervention in Iraq. I remember when a news story came up about how US troops were having issues dealing with mortar attacks originating from civilian neighborhoods and how the US was limited in returning the salvo because of the threat of collateral damage. He said that the US should do counter battery fire anyway. I was surprised given his political leanings and his being against OIF, so I asked why. His response? After several incidents of counter battery fire, any insurgent setting up so much as a mortar tube in any neighborhood would immediately be dealt with by the locals, saying that, "Every woman would be taking their shoes off to beat the ish out of anyone trying to fire at US forces.”

 

He had a point. 

5 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

You’re a Monday morning quarterback here… They didn’t KNOW bombs were coming. Sure, they could assume retaliation for the Hamas attack was coming, but they didn’t know where or how severe. Maybe you would run like a bish from your house at the first sign of trouble, maybe you don’t have anything worth fighting for or never earned it to begin with. Personally, I wouldn’t leave my house that easily.

I don’t think there is a rational outcome possible to this situation. The only reason Israel hasn’t completely leveled Gaza into a parking lot is because the US and other allies have told them they can’t do that. The only reason Iran and other countries that hate Israel haven’t joined the fight and gone after Israel is because the US and other allies have said you can’t do that.

This is a real good example of why the world can’t afford the US to have F-king fascist **** as president.

I agree the annoying orange should not be President.

Also agree that the only reason some things have not happened is because the US said don't do that.

Again October 7th was not a normal terrorist attack. It was a declaration of war. So I disagree with the idea that they didn't know what was coming. If they didn't they were THE ONLY ONES ON THE PLANET that didn't know.

The media was trying to rationalize what was coming as soon as Hamas breached those fences.

5 minutes ago, Bill said:

My grandfather was a lifelong liberal and spent 20 years in the Marines. Got in as a Private, got out as a Captain. In Vietnam he was Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations. 
 

He was staunchly against intervention in Iraq. I remember when a news story came up about how US troops were having issues dealing with mortar attacks originating from civilian neighborhoods and how the US was limited in returning the salvo because of the threat of collateral damage. He said that the US should do counter battery fire anyway. I was surprised given his political leanings and his being against OIF, so I asked why. His response? After several incidents of counter battery fire, any insurgent setting up so much as a mortar tube in any neighborhood would immediately be dealt with by the locals, saying that, "Every woman would be taking their shoes off to beat the ish out of anyone trying to fire at US forces.”

 

He had a point. 

That would be very rational and self preserving reaction by those locals too.

Sort of similar to what I have been saying Palestinians in Gaza should do.

17 minutes ago, Bill said:

My grandfather was a lifelong liberal and spent 20 years in the Marines. Got in as a Private, got out as a Captain. In Vietnam he was Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations. 
 

He was staunchly against intervention in Iraq. I remember when a news story came up about how US troops were having issues dealing with mortar attacks originating from civilian neighborhoods and how the US was limited in returning the salvo because of the threat of collateral damage. He said that the US should do counter battery fire anyway. I was surprised given his political leanings and his being against OIF, so I asked why. His response? After several incidents of counter battery fire, any insurgent setting up so much as a mortar tube in any neighborhood would immediately be dealt with by the locals, saying that, "Every woman would be taking their shoes off to beat the ish out of anyone trying to fire at US forces.”

 

He had a point. 

So you’re grandfather understood the local women would beat the ish out of the insurgents firing back, giving up their location and causing more bombing… but also realized that same woman didn’t flee her home to spill her guts of information to US troops of everything she knew about insurgents before the first bombing occurred?

Not surprised.

24 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

I agree the annoying orange should not be President.

Also agree that the only reason some things have not happened is because the US said don't do that.

Again October 7th was not a normal terrorist attack. It was a declaration of war. So I disagree with the idea that they didn't know what was coming. If they didn't they were THE ONLY ONES ON THE PLANET that didn't know.

The media was trying to rationalize what was coming as soon as Hamas breached those fences.

I said that I’m sure they knew a counter attack was coming, but they didn’t know exactly where or how severe. Or if a bomb would land directly on their head as you simplistically suggested.

29 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

So you’re grandfather understood the local women would beat the ish out of the insurgents firing back, giving up their location and causing more bombing… but also realized that same woman didn’t flee her home to spill her guts of information to US troops of everything she knew about insurgents before the first bombing occurred?

Not surprised.

 

6 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

I said that I’m sure they knew a counter attack was coming, but they didn’t know exactly where or how severe. Or if a bomb would land directly on their head as you simplistically suggested.

Have you actually seen Gaza? It's a tiny stretch of land.

By about 9 AM anyone with less than half a brain knew it was about to become a Battlefield. In a battlefield that densely packed staying put is simply not your best option. Especially considering the Israelis starting telling everyone that the bombs were coming and that they should GTFO.

October 7th was not a normal terrorist attack.

Many Palestinians stayed because they are supporters of Hamas and were celebrating with them as they carried the bodies of dead Israelis back into Gaza. It's a fact regardless of how much a lot of people don't want to admit that it's a fact.

There was no surprise in regards to Israels response. Especially considering they declared war and said "GTFO the bombs are coming.