2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Because they keep butchering civilians.  This ain’t that hard to understand.

It also isn’t hard to understand that the opposing force should not be expected to respect or abide by a ceasefire. And now, as Israel is taking control of areas, they are beginning to provide supplies and aid to the Palestinian people. 

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Thats a particularly stupid take, but ok

It was intentionally stupid.

 I can’t believe it’s this hard to explain why Palestinians didn’t run to the Israelis, who they’ve hated for thousands of years, for aid… when the Israelis started bombing them.

Dave Moss: Of course you shouldn’t expect terrorists to respect a ceasefire. 
 

Also Dave Moss: Israel should enter into a ceasefire. This isn’t hard to understand. 

2 minutes ago, Imp81318 said:

Dave Moss: Of course you shouldn’t expect terrorists to respect a ceasefire. 
 

Also Dave Moss: Israel should enter into a ceasefire. This isn’t hard to understand. 

@Dave Moss is just big mad because Israelis are killing terrorists, and not the other way around.

32 minutes ago, paco said:

Agreed.  If they could stop being murder POS's, things would be a lot better.  Probably garner more sympathy.

Likewise, our crime problem in America would be solved overnight if criminals would stop breaking the law. Not sure why we didn't think of this sooner.

4 minutes ago, Imp81318 said:

Dave Moss: Of course you shouldn’t expect terrorists to respect a ceasefire. 
 

Also Dave Moss: Israel should enter into a ceasefire. This isn’t hard to understand. 

I think you’re confusing a nation-state with a terrorist cell.  Those aren’t the same thing.  You referred to Palestine as an opposing force.  Ok, so tell me how many people are in Palestine’s military.  Also, what are some military targets Israel might target to defeat this opposing force?

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I think you’re confusing a nation-state with a terrorist cell.  Those aren’t the same thing.  You referred to Palestine as an opposing force.  Ok, so tell me how many people are in Palestine’s military.  Also, what are some military targets Israel might target to defeat this opposing force?

When did I refer to Palestine as an opposing force? I said that Hamas, being the opposing force against Israel, should not be expected to respect a ceasefire. 

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Likewise, our crime problem in America would be solved overnight if criminals would stop breaking the law. Not sure why we didn't think of this sooner.

I know!  That would be wonderful!

I am actually fine with Israel bombing military targets.  Apartment buildings, not as much.

35 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

It was intentionally stupid.

 I can’t believe it’s this hard to explain why Palestinians didn’t run to the Israelis, who they’ve hated for thousands of years, for aid… when the Israelis started bombing them.

Egypt, Jordan, Seria, Iran, did any of these Muslim nations offer aid?

Nope.

Who is now providing aid? Israel.

Amazing how they could be hated by a group for thousands of years and still provide them aid in this horrible situation.

They are resupplying hospitals, they are destroying Hamas tunnels and infestructure, they are removing a problem that has plagued Gaza for 20 years.

On a tiny sliver of land surrounded by Islamic nations and the only ones providing aid to Gaza are Israel and the UN.

That's very telling in my opinion. Like it or not, the best chance for Gazans is to disconnect from Hamas AND Islamic extremism in any way possible. The sooner they do the better off they will be.

What you can't seem to grasp is simple. Gazans are faced with a series of very difficult questions and their answer to those questions is going to dramatically effect their future.

1 hour ago, EagleFan85 said:

I am honestly shocked at how willingly a lot of people have been to just devour Hamas propaganda and run with it.

 

It’s not Hamas propaganda to realize that this war has been going on for over 70 years. Yes, there has been cease fires but cease fires don’t end wars, they simply put a pause in the heavy fighting. Yes, Hamas broke the last "cease fire” but housing demolitions haven’t ceased, settlement expansion haven’t ceased. Palestinian civilian deaths by Israel haven’t ceased and have actually been on the rise in recent years.
 

Just to be clear Hamas is barbaric and has no justification for attacking innocent civilians, so just stop with the Hamas propaganda BS. 

Israel wants the land, but doesn’t want to give the people living there any rights.  That’s why there’s no endgame and why this conflict will continue in perpetuity.  @EagleFan85, you could not be more naive on this topic.  This is even more ridiculous than George W. Bush saying the Iraqis would hail us as saviors.

17 hours ago, Shepard Wong said:

Correct, which again is why everyone needs to stop pretending that Palestinians are innocent bystanders caught between waring factions.  Wherever Palestinians have gone, hatred and violence toward Israel and Jews has followed.  It's who they are.  It's why they elected Hamas.  It's why Hamas, if eradicated somehow, will be replaced by other POSs tasked with the same job, killing Israelis.  

That was so long ago and there are reports that they don't want Hamas in power anymore

16 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Audio of a kid calling his parents proud that he killed 10 Jews

https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/s/P10NkakqcB

I'm not saying it's fake but it's possible. You can do a lot of things with AI now. People are creating new songs from deceased artists with AI

45 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I am actually fine with Israel bombing military targets.  Apartment buildings, not as much.

Simp military commander: Ok, we need to strike their military headquarters, where is that at?

Military advisor: They are scattered in apartment buildings and hospitals sir.

Simp military commander: Well then.... I guess that's checkmate.

This is what a cease fire looks like in the ME. 
 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/15/middleeast/huwara-west-bank-settler-attack-cmd-intl/index.html

https://imeu.org/article/6-things-to-remember-when-covering-israeli-settler-violence

18 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

This is what a cease fire looks like in the ME. 
 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/15/middleeast/huwara-west-bank-settler-attack-cmd-intl/index.html

And here is the info that you find when you read between the lines.

"They were on their way to their yeshiva, a Jewish religious school, when they were attacked by a Palestinian gunman, identified as a member of Hamas by both the militant group and the IDF."

Hamas in the West Bank where the PLO is in power. Interesting. In this case far outside of their area of authority. Their assassination of two Israeli boys instigated the violence and Israel once again responded. The IDF responded with tear gas and flash bangs. That's also important as it clearly shows a non lethal response was the initial response. At the end of this scrum only one Palestinian was dead.

Nice try though.

 

It's becoming increasingly obvious that Moss is on a troll roll so epic in its scope and effectiveness that they're going to be writing books and teaching college courses about it for many years to come. 

12 minutes ago, EagleFan85 said:

And here is the info that you find when you read between the lines.

"They were on their way to their yeshiva, a Jewish religious school, when they were attacked by a Palestinian gunman, identified as a member of Hamas by both the militant group and the IDF."

Hamas in the West Bank where the PLO is in power. Interesting. In this case far outside of their area of authority. Their assassination of two Israeli boys instigated the violence and Israel once again responded. The IDF responded with tear gas and flash bangs. That's also important. At the end of this scrum only one Palestinian was dead.

Nice try though.

 

Nice try for what? I made no judgement about the situation, it was simply an example of how a cease fire looks to the people actually living there. 
 

Just to be clear though, the part about the IDF responding with tear gas and flash bangs was how they responded to the Settlers. Throwing rocks often gets Palestinians shot with real bullets. 
 

Funny thing about reading between the lines, the IDF didn’t compare what happened in terms of a sporting event.   

 

 

10 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Nice try for what? I made no judgement about the situation, it was simply an example of how a cease fire looks to the people actually living there. 
 

Just to be clear though, the part about the IDF responding with tear gas and flash bangs was how they responded to the Settlers. Throwing rocks often gets Palestinians shot with real bullets. 
 

Funny thing about reading between the lines, the IDF didn’t compare what happened in terms of a sporting event.   

 

 

Okay so your point was that a ceasefire in Israel is broken by Hamas? Because that is what the article you posted suggests.

15 hours ago, Bill said:

My grandfather was a lifelong liberal and spent 20 years in the Marines. Got in as a Private, got out as a Captain. In Vietnam he was Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations. 
 

He was staunchly against intervention in Iraq. I remember when a news story came up about how US troops were having issues dealing with mortar attacks originating from civilian neighborhoods and how the US was limited in returning the salvo because of the threat of collateral damage. He said that the US should do counter battery fire anyway. I was surprised given his political leanings and his being against OIF, so I asked why. His response? After several incidents of counter battery fire, any insurgent setting up so much as a mortar tube in any neighborhood would immediately be dealt with by the locals, saying that, "Every woman would be taking their shoes off to beat the ish out of anyone trying to fire at US forces.”

 

He had a point. 

With all due respect to your father, I don’t think some nagging women are going to stop Islamic insurgents. More likely the women would just get a bullet in the head.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

With all due respect to your father, I don’t think some nagging women are going to stop Islamic insurgents. More likely the women would just get a bullet in the head.

Those nagging woman had Kalashnikovs.

 

2 hours ago, paco said:

Simp military commander: Ok, we need to strike their military headquarters, where is that at?

Military advisor: They are scattered in apartment buildings and hospitals sir.

Simp military commander: Well then.... I guess that's checkmate.

Pretty much.

If Israel wants to do this in a way that minimizes civilian casualties, they’re going to have to go building to building with ground forces, which is… challenging to say the least.

1 minute ago, EagleFan85 said:

Those nagging woman had Kalashnikovs.

No, they didn’t.

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

Pretty much.

If Israel wants to do this in a way that minimizes civilian casualties, they’re going to have to go building to building with ground forces, which is… challenging to say the least.

No, they didn’t.

Israel is currently going building to building now that ground forces have secured large portions of Gaza. Hospitals are receiving supplies, fuel, and so on. Israel is providing the aid and equipment as well as bringing doctors into Gaza to help at the hospitals.

 

As for the AK 47s in Iraq. Iraqis were allowed to have an AK during those times. Another poster pointed out the rules they had to abide by.

I wonder how difficult it would be to guess everyones political leanings based on this thread?