7 hours ago, Talkingbirds said:

He had all day to throw the ball.  We’re the receivers not open or didn’t he see them ?

He wanted to force the ball to his buddy AJ.

55 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

To me, Zach Wilson is the epitome of terrible QB play.  Hurts certainly wasn’t terrible.  This does come down to the question that I, as an Eagles fan, am wrestling with.  Did we pay Hurts elite QB money (yes) for sub elite play?  
 

It would have been nice to re-sign TJ Edwards and Kazir White for example but the cap space wasn’t there.  Are they elite linebackers?  No.  But IMO they are upgrades over Ellis and Morrow.  Dean was obviously a miss, and he benefited from the UGA talent in the line.  
 

A cap number of this magnitude on a QB that had one one good season hampers the roster.  49ers have the ability to load their roster with a cheap cap figure attached to the QB. 

Whats your standard for elite though?

Are we talking about GOAT-Mahomes-Brady tier, HOF tier, McNabb tier, or?....

7 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

He wanted to force the ball to his buddy AJ.

I think the refs were also letting them play and I saw a good bit of defensive holding from the 49ers when the camera did show down the field shots. Not sure about from the Eagles end, but there were a lot of penalties that were not called. I personally felt like it was reactionary to how the Dallas/Seattle game went.

There was a clear DPI not called that would have gotten the team into the RZ in the 2nd or 3rd quarter. Think it was Quez or Devonta going for the ball. And on Deebo's catch and run Blankenship got held and then pancaked and the refs didn't do anything.

24 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Whats your standard for elite though?

Are we talking about GOAT-Mahomes-Brady tier, HOF tier, McNabb tier, or?....

For me, elite is when the intangibles (which Hurts has in an abundance) are mated with the tangibles (arm talent, IQ, quick processing, field vision, etc)

Hurts is an elite competitor and by all accounts he is the hardest worker in the building. It’s extremely difficult to say right now that he has the elite skillset and mind for the position. 

Dude had all the time in the world. I don't believe for 1 second "no one was open".

1 minute ago, Swimm said:

Dude had all the time in the world. I don't believe for 1 second "no one was open".

All-22 will drop either tonight or tomorrow. I really don’t even want to watch that sheet again but I plan to at least see what was happening on a handful of those "coverage sacks”.  

2 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

All-22 will drop either tonight or tomorrow. I really don’t even want to watch that sheet again but I plan to at least see what was happening on a handful of those "coverage sacks”.  

If its hurts not seeing field or afraid to throw the ball then the team should start questioning his future. . This offense should virtually be scoring at will with the talent it has.

1 minute ago, Swimm said:

If its hurts not seeing field or afraid to throw the ball then the team should start questioning his future. . This offense should virtually be scoring at will with the talent it has.

Defenses are taking away his first read with regularity.  He tends to either bail to the right and/or run around and buy time when that happens.  The RPO’s from last year aren’t working because they look basically the same with no real wrinkles.  There are valves built in on those plays, but Hurts tends to lock in on one guy a lot.  So far that’s what I’ve seen on All 22 this year.  I can’t imagine that will look differently than last night.  The difference is when he makes the off schedule plays, other teams don’t have the talent to make up the distance.  SF does.  He couldn’t make the off schedule plays last night when the game was still close.  For Hurts to make the jump, he has to throw receivers open and be much quicker with his decision making.  He also needs to read a defense quicker.  The lack of consistent success on the RPO’s are forcing the eagles to run more traditional pass plays which is not a strength of Hurts at this point in his career.

10 minutes ago, Swimm said:

If its hurts not seeing field or afraid to throw the ball then the team should start questioning his future. . This offense should virtually be scoring at will with the talent it has.

Before pulling the ejection seat on Hurts, I'd look long and hard at the coaches who are responsible for developing him. I believe they are failing him. I don't see him progressing any more. I see stagnation and regression. Bring in a QB guru to work with Hurts and if he gets better, replace the coaches. If he doesn't replace him. It is what it is but I always look at the leadership first for the "problem" in any disfunction. sometimes a fix there sets everything else right. That's my 2 cents worth.

Those two self inflicted sacks he took yesterday were just unforgiveable imho. Every week its something.

I think too much load is being put on Hurts to make something happen....because of the horribly unimaginative play calling.

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

Jalen threw for 298 yards, 1 TD, 1 rushing TD and no INT or fumbles.  Brown had 8 receptions for 114 yards, Smith had 9 receptions for 96 yards and a TD.  Even Quez got involved with 3 receptions for 28 yards.

Meanwhile, Swift had only 6 carries for 13 yards, and 2 receptions for 7 yards.  Gainwell 2 carries for 5 yards and Scott 1 carry for 2 yards.

Hurts didn't have "a really bad game."  There was no run game, the play calling was basic and stale as it has been a lot lately.  The red zone offense reverted where they settled for field goals early.

And the defense gave up 42 points.  Amazing when the defense gives up 6 straight TD drives, wide open receivers all day, and gives up that many points that fans will blame Jalen who had almost 300 yards passing, no turnovers and accounted for their only 2 TDs.

Coaching including Siri, play calling, defensive scheme, having virtually no LBs, an aging secondary who has been exposed all year are all key problems.

 

5 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

He before the game was leadnig candidate for MVP, you don't have a clue

Some of these posts are unbelievable. Hurts was MVP runner up last year and is one of the favourites again this year even after a brutal run of games and some people are questioning him as the future - 😂 

1 hour ago, Swimm said:

If its hurts not seeing field or afraid to throw the ball then the team should start questioning his future. . This offense should virtually be scoring at will with the talent it has.

Yep and they can't even get a first down sometimes while we watched the 49ers do it at will. They have better coaching and designs.

9 hours ago, Talkingbirds said:

He had all day to throw the ball.  We’re the receivers not open or didn’t he see them ?

Hurts problem is he's more than likely for looking Smith or Brown deep and the defenses know it so they're covered, the only time anything was done yesterday is when the passes went underneath.  , he simply isn't reading the entire field well enough.  

That should be handled by sending Smith and Brown deep but throw to Godert, Quez, and Swift underneath, problem solved, no holding the ball until he's flushed right.

That OC or whoever is responsible for the playbook needs to go, the offense is entirely too elementary.

I’m sitting here on my couch watching the bengals 2nd string qb dropping back and getting the ball out of his hands and down field in like 3 seconds.  Hurts has been holding the ball and dropping back from the shotgun and taking 10 yard sacks!  He’s not elusive as much as we think he is either.  His runs look slow and lumbering.  Something is off on him this year. 

21 minutes ago, BornGreen said:

I’m sitting here on my couch watching the bengals 2nd string qb dropping back and getting the ball out of his hands and down field in like 3 seconds.  Hurts has been holding the ball and dropping back from the shotgun and taking 10 yard sacks!  He’s not elusive as much as we think he is either.  His runs look slow and lumbering.  Something is off on him this year. 

He's been dealing with a left knee injury for weeks now. Apparently, it's a bone bruise. I have noticed that he looks a step slower this year. He's never been blazing fast, but he could usually outrun a LB. That's not happening right now.

6 hours ago, opa-opa said:

He wanted to force the ball to his buddy AJ.

I don't think BJ is a good OC and is mainly the problem, but I think Hurts has more influence both with the plan and changing things on the field than we want to consider.

Johnson is not a good OC, but with it being his first year, Hurts probably has more influence on the plan and changing things on the field than we want to consider. On top of that, he seems incapable of checking down and taking what is there. I think Steichen would listen to Hurts, but he was calling and designing the plays and tailoring them to put Hurts in the best position.

Now, if Brown and Smith are covered, and the play doesn't have a checkdown, I'm wrong. Then it's 100% the play design, and Nick is a horrible coach.

5 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Those two self inflicted sacks he took yesterday were just unforgiveable imho. Every week its something.

I think too much load is being put on Hurts to make something happen....because of the horribly unimaginative play calling.

How bout uhh... let's see. Running the damn ball so the Fn defenders aren't over playing for the pass all game.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't think BJ is a good OC and is mainly the problem, but I think Hurts has more influence both with the plan and changing things on the field than we want to consider.

Johnson is not a good OC, but with it being his first year, Hurts probably has more influence on the plan and changing things on the field than we want to consider. On top of that, he seems incapable of checking down and taking what is there. I think Steichen would listen to Hurts, but he was calling and designing the plays and tailoring them to put Hurts in the best position.

Now, if Brown and Smith are covered, and the play doesn't have a checkdown, I'm wrong. Then it's 100% the play design, and Nick is a horrible coach.

We don't know what Johnson is. This offense has Siri written all over it.

4 hours ago, EagleVA said:

Hurts problem is he's more than likely for looking Smith or Brown deep and the defenses know it so they're covered, the only time anything was done yesterday is when the passes went underneath.  , he simply isn't reading the entire field well enough.  

That should be handled by sending Smith and Brown deep but throw to Godert, Quez, and Swift underneath, problem solved, no holding the ball until he's flushed right.

That OC or whoever is responsible for the playbook needs to go, the offense is entirely too elementary.

Godert didn't play yesterday... not sure if you were aware.

42 minutes ago, judunno said:

We don't know what Johnson is. This offense has Siri written all over it.

Either way I think he isn't being coached enough vs them letting him do what he wants and he still has too much to learn for that. 

I think you are right as well that Nick has too much input because BJ is inexperienced. If he had a vet coach they'd push back more. 

I'll add I spent the weekend with a bunch of Ute fans who said Johnson sucked so the entire thing is probably a mess all around. 

 

10 hours ago, VeeMak said:

Defenses are taking away his first read with regularity.  He tends to either bail to the right and/or run around and buy time when that happens.  The RPO’s from last year aren’t working because they look basically the same with no real wrinkles.  There are valves built in on those plays, but Hurts tends to lock in on one guy a lot.  So far that’s what I’ve seen on All 22 this year.  I can’t imagine that will look differently than last night.  The difference is when he makes the off schedule plays, other teams don’t have the talent to make up the distance.  SF does.  He couldn’t make the off schedule plays last night when the game was still close.  For Hurts to make the jump, he has to throw receivers open and be much quicker with his decision making.  He also needs to read a defense quicker.  The lack of consistent success on the RPO’s are forcing the eagles to run more traditional pass plays which is not a strength of Hurts at this point in his career.

He actually was throwing WRs open a lot last year, but isn't doing it this year. I'm not sure why. You used to see him throw the ball notably before cuts last year, for example.

14 hours ago, VeeMak said:

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A cap number of this magnitude on a QB that had one one good season hampers the roster.  49ers have the ability to load their roster with a cheap cap figure attached to the QB. 

This argument, I have some sympathy with. I was saying before he got paid, that at some point there is going to be a rebalancing of priorities around the league with QB salaries. To me, I think any pro-level QB should be good when playing with an excellent line and balanced skill players. Put an excellent QB behind a dogshit line and he´ll struggle. Teams that have success tend to be better balanced.

(I´m not saying Jalen had only one year, my comment is more about the overall point, not the one player)

4 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

He actually was throwing WRs open a lot last year, but isn't doing it this year. I'm not sure why. You used to see him throw the ball notably before cuts last year, for example.

Seems like more a scheme change to me.  Looks like they prefer AJ and Devonta to use their route running/hands to go up, beat DB’s and get the ball instead of trying to outrun them. 

6 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Seems like more a scheme change to me.  Looks like they prefer AJ and Devonta to use their route running/hands to go up, beat DB’s and get the ball instead of trying to outrun them. 

If so that's really bad, like a super boneheaded change. You don't scheme out of throwing people open in the NFL, it's a terrible mistake.

35 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

If so that's really bad, like a super boneheaded change. You don't scheme out of throwing people open in the NFL, it's a terrible mistake.

Yeah idk.   Just a guess based on what they’ve been doing.